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Old 10-09-2008, 12:15 AM
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and if it was going on, why would it just be for Obama, and not McCain?
yeah, i'm sure acorn was out there twisting arms to get people to vote for mccain. get real
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Old 10-09-2008, 01:14 AM
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The thing about that is once you get them to the polls, you have no idea who they are actually voting. So without any control over the outcome, I don't know if anyone is going to take this sort of risk.
This is too obvious.....

I have no idea if there are republican groups doing this type of stuff....maybe it's common, I have no idea.

But how easy would it be for ACORN to go to lower economic areas and do just as fourteen suggested? Not difficult at all......is this illegal by the way? Seriously.

It is one thing to register fraudulent names, but another to take people to the polls with a very good idea of who they are going to vote for.
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yeah, i'm sure acorn was out there twisting arms to get people to vote for mccain. get real
I meant here in Ohio, with this early voting stuff...i'm sure there were conservatives doing this. nanananana
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ACORN is now in trouble in cuyohoga county for fraud. Just saw it on the news.
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ACORN is now in trouble in cuyohoga county for fraud. Just saw it on the news.
So, you're saying Mr. Hugh G. Erection is not a resident of Cuyohoga?
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yeah, i'm sure acorn was out there twisting arms to get people to vote for mccain. get real
No [censored]. The dems voter fraud is usually registering them, and the republican voter fraud is the way they intimidate voters and try to remove valid voters via last minute challanges. It's a glorious tradition in America, where Kennedy stole votes in 1960 in Cook County, and the republicans likely cooked the rolls in down state Illinois.

I am against computer voting, and want a back up system.
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Didn't NoBoma also, as a lawer, represent ACORN at one time?

Kind of Funny that a Democratic supporter ,ACORN, is being investigated in numerous reports of voter registration. I can't believe that you liberals hate our country so much that you lie cheat and do what ever you can to get someone in office. Unbelievable.
Serious question: is this an actual representation of your typical thought process on political matters?

This might be some seriously funny satire...just wondering.
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I apologize, to anyone I have offended. I should not revert to child hood name calling and I apologize to you or anyone.

Can you answer the first question in my post? Did Obama represent them in a court, I believe it was in New York where this happened and fought a bank to give loans to those who could not afford because they were being so called racial.

I hope this is not flaming and trolling is it?
Let's just for a moment assume that Obama represented ACORN as an attorney. Let's assume that he did so in a case involving the common practice of "red lining" neighborhoods and not giving loans to applicants who live in a neighborhood, regardless of FICA score or creditworthiness.

If he did, could you explain in a logical fashion why you blame him for the ACORN fraud, if it happened as reported. If I represented a man in a bankruptcy, and he later went to work for a store and embezzled from it, would I be to blame for representing him in a totally unrelated matter? Seriously, do you have any idea how legal representation works?
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what did he do for them, gator? did he just represent them in a case. if so, i'd say you have a good point. if, however, he worked for/with them on various projects etc i'd say you don't. i don't know enough about it to say.
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Let's just for a moment assume that Obama represented ACORN as an attorney. Let's assume that he did so in a case involving the common practice of "red lining" neighborhoods and not giving loans to applicants who live in a neighborhood, regardless of FICA score or creditworthiness.

If he did, could you explain in a logical fashion why you blame him for the ACORN fraud, if it happened as reported. If I represented a man in a bankruptcy, and he later went to work for a store and embezzled from it, would I be to blame for representing him in a totally unrelated matter? Seriously, do you have any idea how legal representation works?

Yes. Damn laywers always helping embezzlers and [censored].
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No [censored]. The dems voter fraud is usually registering them, and the republican voter fraud is the way they intimidate voters and try to remove valid voters via last minute challanges. It's a glorious tradition in America, where Kennedy stole votes in 1960 in Cook County, and the republicans likely cooked the rolls in down state Illinois.

I am against computer voting, and want a back up system.
The supposed dirt on that is that Kennedy stole Chicago but Nixon didn't want to say anything because he stole Kentucky.

In the 80s the Democrats ruled at the stolen registration and intimidation via Union voting.

In the 00s the Republicans have ruled at knocking out minorities, intimidation, and not providing sufficient voting booths, etc. for poor areas.

Ah, the tradition.

Jesse Helms used to use his free US Mail benefit to send cards to all minorities and college students telling them they weren't registered properly and couldn't vote in the election (fine print: unless you are registered properly).

Sad it's like this. . .
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In the 00s the Republicans have ruled at knocking out minorities, intimidation, and not providing sufficient voting booths, etc. for poor areas.
I am sure that is true and that kind of crap needs to stop, however, the charge does ring hollow in some cases when the election and the county officials are overwhelming Democratic and they still blame the repubs for election deficiencies.....
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More shenaninigans from ACORN....

Missouri officials suspect fake voter registration - Yahoo! News

Officials in Missouri, a hard-fought jewel in the presidential race, are sifting through possibly hundreds of questionable or duplicate voter-registration forms submitted by an advocacy group that has been accused of election fraud in other states. Charlene Davis, co-director of the election board in Jackson County, where Kansas City is, said the fraudulent registration forms came from the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN. She said they were bogging down work Wednesday, the final day Missourians could register to vote.

And this.....

NUTS! - New York Post


CLEVELAND - Two Ohio voters, including Domino's pizza worker Christopher Barkley , claimed yesterday that they were hounded by the community-activist group ACORN to register to vote several times, even though they made it clear they'd already signed up.
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I am sure that is true and that kind of crap needs to stop, however, the charge does ring hollow in some cases when the election and the county officials are overwhelming Democratic and they still blame the repubs for election deficiencies.....
Really? Everything I spoke of is at the state level. Is it time for cites? There are too many to choose from. . .

You live(d) in Ohio, right? Were you around four years ago? Were the counties important in the attempts at voter intimidation/restriction?
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Really? Everything I spoke of is at the state level. Is it time for cites? There are too many to choose from. . .

You live(d) in Ohio, right? Were you around four years ago? Were the counties important in the attempts at voter intimidation/restriction?

You talked about not enough polling places and voting booths and those are controlled at the county level (I believe?) in most states. I am not denying that some of the things you discussed are not happening but it is hardly one-sided with voter fraud, intimidation and the like......
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