Joe the Plumber: Official Thread

['BusNative]

Originally Posted by AKAKBUCK

Well, I think the answer is, "I'm not sure" and that's the troublesome thing.

I understand the angst over tax brackets. I disagree with flat tax proponents, but I understand. My point is that, to the extent there are brackets, there will be a cutoff amount. Whether it's $250k or $350k or $450k SOME people are going to be at or near the line and thusly unhappy about the increase.

There are some 3 million S-Corps (according to wiki) so, there are obviously a [censored] ton of people out there who own some of them... I would call some of them small business owners, others... just investors... but... point is, a certain number fo them would be impacted by a tax hike... and they are not apparently reflected in the article...

I don't know... lets assume that half of americans are taxpayers... that puts taxpayers at, what, 170MM people? 3 million S-corps would be just under 2% of that. I know that not every small business is an S-Corp, but many S-Corp owners have duplicative ownership, etc., and not every S-Corp nets $250k+ to its owners... the 2% number - the number of small business owning taxpayers that will be affected by a $250+ tax increase - could be fairly accurate - or at least not materially off.

The other point I was making more passively was that its not JUST Joe the Plumbers sole proprietorship boss that makes the world go 'round. So the question isn't, "HOw many businesses make X dollars" its how many business owners.

Right, so those with duplicative ownership, etc., etc.... but, still, it may really just be 2% of small business owners.

[CookyPuss]

Political Punch

ABC News' Chris Bury is outside Toledo, near the home of Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, aka "Joe the Plumber," and reports that Wurzelbacher -- such a key part of Sen. John McCain's critique of Sen. Barack Obama's economic proposals -- acknowledged that he wants to purchase the plumbing business for $250-280,000, not that he would net that much in profits.
He would make much less, he said.
Which would seem to indicate that he would be eligible for an Obama tax cut, not that he would be subject to the tax increase from 36% to 39% Obama would impose on those making more than $200,000 per person, or $250,000 per family.

[TJnTN]

I'm hearing the liberal blog...Daily Kos...has published Joe's home address on it's website. WTF? Why? You might not agree with Joe, but their is no reason to publish his home address on your website. Wonder what the purpose of that was?!?!?

[OSUsushichic]

They posted his record with the Department of Taxation, which included his home address. It's public info.

During last night's presidential debate, we heard a lot about "Joe the Plumber," also known as Joe Wurzelbacher, an average (ahem) Joe, who is really worried that a President Obama might raise his taxes. But does Joe really need to worry? Because if he's the same Joe that ABC News identified as Sam Joe Wurzelbacher, also of Toledo, Ohio, he doesn't always bother to pay his taxes.

LUCAS COUNTY COURT OF COMMON PLEAS
J. BERNIE QUILTER, CLERK
700 ADAMS STREET
TOLEDO, OHIO


MONETARY AMOUNT: $1,182.98


DEPT OF TAXATION STATE OF OHIO
Defendant 1:
WURZELBACHER SAMUEL J
30 JIMOTIS WAY
TOLEDO, OH

Is it possible? Is this average, model American citizen a tax cheat? If that's the case, Joe doesn't really need to worry about his tax rates at all, does he?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...9/11/77/632515

Address 30 JIMOTIS Way TOLEDO, OH 43615
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[CookyPuss]

Let's be nice to our fellow Buckeye fan. I'm sure Joe or Sam or whatever his name is wasn't quite expecting all of this.

This is turning out to be yet another stupid stunt by McCain. Mentioning the guy once was fine, but rambling on about him turned it into a punchline. I just watched the SNL special and that's all they did for their debate spoof. They were out of Obama jokes. McCain completely missed the mark with this one. Any chance he had to gain traction in this debate is down the drain.

[jimotis4heisman]

sushi i think we can remove that...

it might be public info but lets not post it here in the sense of good taste.

[OSUsushichic]

Originally Posted by jimotis4heisman

sushi i think we can remove that...

it might be public info but lets not post it here in the sense of good taste.

Are you serious? I think you are being way too sensitive. I will delete it if others think I should, but it's public record, and I didn't post it to cause trouble.

[jimotis4heisman]

Originally Posted by OSUsushichic

Are you serious? I think you are being way too sensitive. I will delete it if others think I should, but it's public record, and I didn't post it to cause trouble.

yes. honestly, the last thing i want is people in this guys front yard. or worse to be his neighbor and have chanting hollering idiots there... people can find the info elsewhere. the general hint has been tossed out there, thats enough. if they want it they can find it...

[OSUsushichic]

Originally Posted by jimotis4heisman

yes. honestly, the last thing i want is people in this guys front yard. or worse to be his neighbor and have chanting hollering idiots there... people can find the info elsewhere. the general hint has been tossed out there, thats enough. if they want it they can find it...

Well, tell him to pay his taxes and his address won't be so public.

I think if he were, say, an Auburn fan, people wouldn't be so touchy about it.

[sandgk]

jo4h - putting this into perspective.

Page reads at dKos far outplay those on BP

Dailykos.com has a traffic rank of: 3,769

- and BP get's a lot of page reads.

Buckeyeplanet.com has a traffic rank of: 720902,484

(Think of the millions of sites out their).
Not defending republishing per se, but, honestly, if that quote were deleted it would not signal silence on the Joe the Plumber front.

The truth was out(ed) there well before Sushi linked in an existing article on the net.

[jimotis4heisman]

Originally Posted by OSUsushichic

Well, tell him to pay his taxes and his address won't be so public.

I think if he were, say, an Auburn fan, people wouldn't be so touchy about it.

i would. and he lives in ohio. so the likeliness that bus sends his old boys (not his frat boy friends from prickton...err princeton ()

its up to you...

[jimotis4heisman]

Originally Posted by sandgk

jo4h - putting this into perspective.

Page reads at dKos far outplay those on BP - and BP get's a lot of page reads.

Not defending republishing per se, but, honestly, if that quote were deleted it would not signal silence on the Joe the Plumber front.

The truth was out(ed) there well before Sushi linked in an existing article on the net.

tell people where to go. but dont post his actual address. i like to think we are above that here.

[OSUsushichic]

Originally Posted by jimotis4heisman

tell people where to go. but dont post his actual address. i like to think we are above that here.

Dude, it's a guy living in Ohio that [censored]ed up and can't pay his taxes. His name just happened to be mentioned over 30 times in the debate, thanks to Walnuts McCain. It's not like I published Eddie George's home address.

I'm leaving the link. If people really, really want to know where the [censored] he lives, all they have to do is click on the link.

[CookyPuss]

Originally Posted by OSUsushichic

Well, tell him to pay his taxes and his address won't be so public.

I think if he were, say, an Auburn fan, people wouldn't be so touchy about it.

Just imagine if he was a scUM fan.

[jimotis4heisman]

Originally Posted by MuckFich06

Just imagine if he was a scUM fan.

id still be against it. just like i was against the image of a man slapping a woman and the biden/palin refernece yesterday. just like ive asked others to tone certain things down.

sushi thats fine with me, like i said link it, direct people thats fine.