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10-28-2008, 01:52 AM
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Will Obama Fail Osama's Test?
I know there is a regular Obama thread, but this issue really needs to be discussed separately and is being ignored by the media and the McCain campaign. Obama isn't the anti-war candidate some people believe him to be. The black candidate who opposes war,Cynthia McKinney, is running on the Green Party ticket.
Sen. Joe Biden speaking to Democratic donors in Seattle has revealed a major secret that Sen. Barack Obama didn't want revealed. Biden warned supporters that our enemies would very likely test Obama within the first six months if he is elected president, much like Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev tested newly elected president John Kennedy. Biden also warned that Obama might not handle it well. Obama's "gonna need your help to use your influence within the community to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right." For those unfamiliar with the Kennedy administration, Khrushchev decided he could take advantage of the young president because Kennedy appeared weak at a summit meeting and had mishandled an invasion of Cuba at the Bay of Pigs. Khrushchev responded by constructing the Berlin Wall and preparing to place missiles in Cuba. Khrushchev eventually pulled the missiles out of Cuba after moving to the brink of nuclear war, but he got what he wanted with a guarantee of a communist regime headed by Fidel Castro in Cuba. The Berlin Wall remained until 1989. The pro-Obama New York Times attempted to minimize the significance of the remarks by quoting Obama's efforts at damage control. ?A period of transition in a new administration is always one where we have to be vigilant, we have to be careful,? Mr. Obama said. ?We have to be mindful that as we pass the baton in this democracy that others don?t take advantage of it - that?s true whether it?s myself or Senator McCain.? One likely test of Obama would come from Osama bin Laden. Obama said in the second debate: "And if we have Osama bin Laden in our sights and the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling to take them out, then I think that we have to act and we will take them out." If Obama is elected, bin Laden may challenge Obama by saying "here I am. Come and get me." He will know Obama's statement saying he will order Pakistan to turn over bin Laden will prevent the Pakistani government from moving against him. Obama doesn't understand that the government of the nation of 165 million people will not give in to any American ultimatum like it were some tiny Latin American country. Pakistan has nuclear weapons and can easily destroy any attacking force. Any Pakistani government foolish enough to appear to be taking orders from the U.S., which many Muslims refer to as "The Great Satan", would be overthrown by radicals. Many of these radicals would be willing to take a chance on a nuclear war with the U.S. because they would not mind dying to further their "jihad" to help radical Islam take over the world. If Obama were foolish enough to attack Pakistan by attacking bin Laden, Pakistan might feel it had no choice but to destroy the base that launched the attack or even declare war on the U.S. Pakistan might even secretly provide al Qaeda with one or more nuclear weapons. If Obama backed down from his threat, bin Laden would portray it as a sign of weakness and use it to increase recruitment and plan for terror attacks against the U.S.. Bin Laden might also be able to use Obama's apparent weakness to increase recruitment for new operations in Iraq.          
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10-28-2008, 02:27 AM
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while i suppose its possible, i doubt bin laden goes out on a limb like that. unless pakistan wants to be the next iraq, i don't think they would defend bin laden. foreign policy isn't really my bread and butter though. there are a few posters around here that will probably have fun with this one.
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10-28-2008, 04:27 AM
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I noticed that you have only made three posts on this site, all of them anti-Obama, and none of them remotely related to the Buckeyes. That would clearly suggest that you have come here only to promote your political views. While there are members of this site that have widely different political views, there is a least a modicum of respect for all opinions, based on the spirit of community, which is a hallmark of this forum. You have not earned any respect so far, and I ask you to either present an informed political perspective, or any reson that you would be party to an Ohio State forum. If you are unable to produce either, please take your traffic elsewhere. Last edited by generaladm; 10-28-2008 at 04:35 AM.
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10-28-2008, 07:01 AM
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reasonmclucus, with the exception of the first paragraph you posted this already on a political site http://www2.ljworld.com/weblogs/scie...lnk&cd=1&gl=uk.
Why post it again here? Biden's comments have been discussed in his thread and in Obama's thread. The topic probably is being ignored by the McCain campaign for two reasons. First, they jumped on it and did not get any traction. Second, virtually every President in the modern era has been tested by someone shortly after taking office. I don't understand your point. With all due respect, it's not clear why Obama would represent a special opportunity to plan harm on the United States. Perhaps the greatest question would concern which candidate has the better chance of repairing our damaged image abroad? No American should doubt the following. If Osama bin Laden raises up his head and says, "Here I am, come and get me," those very nice young Americans serving in the US Armed Forces will be only too pleased to open the conversation on a very personal level. No matter who is the President of the United States. Last edited by Steve19; 10-28-2008 at 07:10 AM.
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10-28-2008, 07:28 AM
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 The Dems and Obama are probably trying to figure out how they can get Bin Laden and the rest of the terrorists into the US as illegal aliens and get them on welfare.  Last edited by Best Buckeye; 10-28-2008 at 07:34 AM.
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10-28-2008, 07:44 AM
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Oh well.
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10-28-2008, 10:12 AM
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Could he fail it any worse than W failed his test from Osama?
Gee, W sure passed his "test" with flying colors. Sadly, when he sat in that classroom and [censored] his pants upon being informed of the attack, little did we know that would be the least tragic of his failures. Last edited by ORD_Buckeye; 10-28-2008 at 10:18 AM.
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10-28-2008, 01:11 PM
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10-28-2008, 01:40 PM
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Either way, if you insist on posting crap, do it in any one of the established threads on this election.
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10-28-2008, 01:43 PM
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10-28-2008, 01:55 PM
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I applaud those of you who figured ANY of that out.
The only thing I got out of it was me thinking if Osama does test Obama, and Obama rebukes Osama is that I was wondering if there's a Muslim equivalent for "Uncle Tom" and will that be included in the inevitable "Kill Obama" fatwa from Al Quaeda.
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10-28-2008, 02:19 PM
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This all not to even mention that if Obama does get "tested" early, it's at least as likely to be by someone other than Osama (Iran/Russia/Syria/etc.)
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