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Old 11-06-2008, 05:54 PM
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Big shocker

Two in the stink, eh?

I like his style.
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Big shocker

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Marc Ambinder at the Atlantic is pretty perceptive on issues like the Emanuel pick. Here's his take:

Why Rahm: A Message To -- And From -- The Center - Marc Ambinder
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Why Rahm, really?

Advisers say that Obama has sent a not-so-subtle message to Congress: President-Elect Obama will not cede much agenda-setting ground to liberals. While outside Democrats are interpreting Emanuel's selection as an institutional message for Nancy Pelosi, Obama advisers concede that Emanuel's ties to key party centrists and blue dog Democrats will be criticial to smoother relationships between the executive and legislative branches. (Emanuel is more liberal than these centrists, but he's not nearly the ideologue that people seem to think he is.)

Behind the scenes, Obama himself and many key aides have been making overtures to conservative Democrats. These Democrats want budget off-sets included with every expensive piece of legislation that Obama sends to the Hill; at the very least, they want the White House to incorporate centrists in decision-making.

Obama is keenly aware of how President Clinton's relationship with Congress was fraught with tension and mistrust; how Clinton allowed Congress to temper some of the Arkansan's more pragmatic, less ideological instincts early on.

That said, Obama and Pelosi get along well. And back in 2006 Harry Reid was one of those quietly urging Obama to run.

Importantly, Barack Obama doesn't seem to be too interested in everyone else's opinion of how he's supposed to run his White House. This can only be a good thing (unless you're a Republican praying for Obama to make a fool of himself). It seems that, much like with the campaign, he has some long term goals and isn't worried about engaging in small fights over things like his West Wing staffing choices.
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I've been reading through the "Secrets of the 2008 Campaign" articles over on Newsweek. Not a bunch of revelations so far, other than Biden didn't know who Palin was. But, this kind confirmed my suspicions concerning the way Obama has been running things as "his own man."

Conventions. Obama Sweats the Clintons, McCain Gambles on Palin | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008 | Newsweek.com

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The Obama campaign had always prided itself in staying away from the Washington hothouse of party hacks and lobbyists. But the nominating conventions are traditionally giant celebrations of the party establishment. Inevitably, there was some tension between Democratic regulars and the Obama insurgents on the road to Denver. Delegates and congressmen, normally showered with free tickets, were allotted relatively few in order to make room for grass-roots organizers. The freeze on freebies added to a chorus of complaints from Capitol Hill and the K Street Corridor: the Obama campaign wasn't listening, wasn't paying attention, wasn't seeking their advice--all of which was essentially true. The campaign did have Peter Rouse, who had been a top aide to Tom Daschle, the former Senate majority leader and close adviser to Obama. Rouse half-jokingly referred to himself as a "fixer." He proposed an elaborate outreach program to members of Congress, but the idea was rejected as too cumbersome and not really necessary. As one top adviser explained it, "Everyone loves a winner." If Obama won, all would be forgiven, the adviser said. And if he lost, well, it wouldn't matter. The Obama campaign did not want to get caught up in trying to satisfy all the interest groups that make up the modern Democratic Party--the one that had lost seven of the last 10 presidential elections. The John Kerry campaign set up elaborate liaison offices dedicated to ethnic groups, organized labor, groups for the disabled, for women, for gays and lesbians. Somewhat grudgingly, the Obama campaign agreed to have a single staffer devoted to each of these constituencies, but later decided the whole thing was a waste of manpower and dispersed the interest-group liaisons to go work in the field on get-out-the-vote operations.
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Old 11-06-2008, 07:22 PM
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I'm not black but I gots soul.
C'mon. You're from Bucyrus, you got no soul.

I don't care if you've tricked your ride with 20s and roll to N.W.A, when the dinner bell rings you're going after the bratwurst and leaving the collards in the pot.
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Many of these will likely end up red X's, but here are some post-election front pages:



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The first family, nice picture at "this defining moment".
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The first family, nice picture at "this defining moment".
That was my favorite also
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Deep thought courtesy of Ben Smith at Politico:

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So the president-elect who the Internet and my uncle say is a closet Muslim madrasa alumnus is poised to name a congressman who the Internet and my uncle says is a top Mossad double agent as his White House chief of staff.
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A reader with some roots in New York Jewish politics writes:
So the president-elect who the Internet and my uncle say is a closet Muslim madrasa alumnus is poised to name a congressman who the Internet and my uncle says is a top Mossad double agent as his White House chief of staff.


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Obama's Muscle

Rahm Emanuel will bring discipline to the White House. And lots of profanity.

By Christopher Beam
Posted Thursday, Nov. 6, 2008, at 6:18 PM ET

Rahm Emanuel's first task upon becoming Barack Obama's chief of staff will be to track down and fire whoever the [censored] leaked word that he was offered the job. Even if that means he has to fire himself.
Rahm Emanuel will bring discipline to the White House. And lots of profanity. - By Christopher Beam - Slate Magazine
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what do you guys think about the fact that he was an investment banker?
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