Rush: "I hope Obama fails"

[scott91575]

Originally Posted by TGfan06

why would any American want a president to fail? I didn't vote for the guy, but that is the past.

Now, I won't hesitate to criticize him if I don't like where he leads us, but he has my support right now. People like Rush, Olbermann, Beck and Maddow should be sent to gitmo while it is still around

Well, I think there is some flawed logic here. Rush is not hoping for Obama to fail, Rush is hoping for his supposed policies to fail. I think all Americans want the president to succeed. That does not mean being popular. That does not mean putting in policies that are not good for the country (even if you beleive in them). To me, being successful means making a lasting positive influence on the country.

As for being popular, Coleman Young is one of the most popular mayors of Detroit in history. He also destroyed the whole city, stole money, and separated the whole populous between racial lines.

As for pushing policy, Andrew Jackson was able to get almost everything he wanted including ignoring the Supreme Court (which at the time was very weak). Ask a Native American what they think about Jackson pushing his policies through. He was successful at getting done what he wanted, but it was not a good thing.

Neither of them I would call that successful (Although both are highly acclaimed). I think Rush is putting the cart before the horse, and assuming those Socialist ideals will be implemented. If they are, and they fail, then Rush will be happy. Yet if he decides to make this a better country, ignores party lines, and does great things for this country that succeed in making the USA ever better overall....well, then I am sure even Rush would be happy with that success. Yet Rush is assuming Obama will push Socialist ideals, and failure in those areas is what he hopes for. Honestly, if I felt like Rush did I too would hope for failure. I in no way want to see implementation of some of the Socialist ideals you see in Europe. It would only wider our gap with the Asian countries that will take advantage of such ideals. Yet I hope for success. The thing I am most scared of is Socialism has some initial benefits that take advantage of Capitalist pasts. The problem is they stagnate the country as a whole, while others pass us.

Anyway, I am not sure I made my point clear. I do hope Obama succeeds, but not in some sense of pushing through his agendy or popularity. I only hope he succeeds in making this a better country. That is the difference. Rush thinks he will push his ideals (or what he thinks are his ideals), and of course he wants him to fail. Yet I doubt he wants him to fail at actually making this a better country. The major problem is the idea of what makes this a better country. History will eventually tell the tale, and in hindsight if Obama made the USA better in most aspects I am sure even Rush will eat his words.

[DaytonBuck]

Asians laugh at this thread and count their money heading towards the bank.

It's not like other entitlement programs have put us on the brink. Huzah to someone's wife losing the proper medical screening in favor of someone else. Dayton you're just mean. Nonsense you've just liberalism at work. Winners and losers on any side don't just assume you'll be on the right one.

[scott91575]

Originally Posted by DaytonBuck

Asians laugh at this thread and count their money heading towards the bank.

It's not like other entitlement programs have put us on the brink. Huzah to someone's wife losing the proper medical screening in favor of someone else. Dayton you're just mean. Nonsense you've just liberalism at work. Winners and losers on any side don't just assume you'll be on the right one.

Help me out here. I had to read that bolded area more than once (no offense, poorly worded). I assume you are saying that putting a poor person in front of a richer person in the medical line is just as fair as a richer in front of a poor one? That you are essentially saying there are losers in life no matter what the system, correct? Help me out, I just want to understand your point.

[DaytonBuck]

Originally Posted by scott91575

Help me out here. I had to read that bolded area more than once (no offense, poorly worded). I assume you are saying that putting a poor person in front of a richer person in the medical line is just as fair as a richer in front of a poor one? That you are essentially saying there are losers in life no matter what the system, correct? Help me out, I just want to understand your point.

There's enough medical care to go around in America. When we nationalize nearly 20% of the nations economy there's choices to be made. We've got a bunch of potential Democratic votes out there we can throw some people under the bus...

[fourteenandoh]

get out of his way...Dayton's on a roll tonight!

[scott91575]

Originally Posted by DaytonBuck

There's enough medical care to go around in America. When we nationalize nearly 20% of the nations economy there's choices to be made. We've got a bunch of potential Democratic votes out there we can throw some people under the bus...

Wow, still fuzzy on this. I assume you are saying that the bailout should be used for national healthcare. If so, so be it. I personally see healthcare as an area that needs to be somewhat socialized. Not because I believe in it, but because humans are not supposed to live this long. It will continue to be an exponential curve for cost. Therefore, to retard that cost it can be socialized, and the rest of the socialist nations can quit feeding of our teet (in other words, our medical breakthroughs built on a capatalistic system). Now, the HUGE negative there is you take away one of our most profitable areas as a country. Yet it is becoming a huge albatross where is will eventually become more of a negative than a positive. Sure, overall breakthroughs in medicine will not be as fast, but at least everyone will think they are getting the best that is out there. It's like stopping tv with black and white. If there is no color tv, no one would no any better and wouldn't complain about it.

Uh oh, there is some sarcasm in there. Yet I do believe in some socialism in health care. Yet those Cannucks can kiss my ass with their system. If left to their own (without leaching on other countries breakthroughs), they would still be sticking leeches on people if their system started in the Middle Ages. Yet hey, even the bum on the street would have the right to leeches.

[DaytonBuck]

Originally Posted by scott91575

Wow, still fuzzy on this. I assume you are saying that the bailout should be used for national healthcare. If so, so be it. I personally see healthcare as an area that needs to be somewhat socialized. Not because I believe in it, but because humans are not supposed to live this long. It will continue to be an exponential curve for cost. Therefore, to retard that cost it can be socialized, and the rest of the socialist nations can quit feeding of our teet (in other words, our medical breakthroughs built on a capatalistic system). Now, the HUGE negative there is you take away one of our most profitable areas as a country. Yet it is becoming a huge albatross where is will eventually become more of a negative than a positive. Sure, overall breakthroughs in medicine will not be as fast, but at least everyone will think they are getting the best that is out there. It's like stopping tv with black and white. If there is no color tv, no one would no any better and wouldn't complain about it.

Uh oh, there is some sarcasm in there. Yet I do believe in some socialism in health care. Yet those Cannucks can kiss my ass with their system. If left to their own (without leaching on other countries breakthroughs), they would still be sticking leaches on peo
ple if their system started in the Middle Ages.

Mexico is going south fast. Coke will be a big money winner for the cartels there. We could legalize drugs and cut the feet out of the Mexican cartels which isn't likely. Coke money runs everything down there.

Certain people in America champion an open border system. Liberals advocate an amnesty policy based upon open immigration. Amnesty crushes any hope of Republicans winning a national office again. Republicans are finished in any western state. Liberals celebrate wiping Republicans off the face of the map.

The nasty undertone of their policies surfaces. Mexico's coke war spreads across the borders. People are left are with dire choices when liberalism isn't a utopia. Liberals guarantee healthcare to everyone. They didn't expect that in a drug war millions of Mexicans would cross the border. The liberal is left choosing between the life of a relative and the life of a Mexican.

[scott91575]

Originally Posted by DaytonBuck

Mexico is going south fast. Coke will be a big money winner for the cartels there. We could legalize drugs and cut the feet out of the Mexican cartels which isn't likely. Coke money runs everything down there.

Certain people in America champion an open border system. Liberals advocate an amnesty policy based upon open immigration. Amnesty crushes any hope of Republicans winning a national office again. Republicans are finished in any western state. Liberals celebrate wiping Republicans off the face of the map.

The nasty undertone of their policies surfaces. Mexico's coke war spreads across the borders. People are left are with dire choices when liberalism isn't a utopia. Liberals guarantee healthcare to everyone. They didn't expect that in a drug war millions of Mexicans would cross the border. The liberal is left choosing between the life of a relative and the life of a Mexican.

Now I get it.

[DaytonBuck]

This country is likely finished under white liberal guilt. The Japanese ran a more a sadistic insane operation than the Nazis in China. They deny they did anything wrong and don't feel any guilt. Talk to the China men who was there after Chang Kai bounced to Taiwan. They don't feel guilt but just know about making money.

[scott91575]

Originally Posted by DaytonBuck

This country is likely finished under white liberal guilt. The Japanese ran a more a sadistic insane operation than the Nazis in China. They deny they did anything wrong and don't feel any guilt. Talk to the China men who was there after Chang Kai bounced to Taiwan. They don't feel guilt but just know about making money.

Eventually the blue collar come a knocking for their money. The Japanese saw it, and have had a much longer recession that America has ever seen. China will see it too.

[DaytonBuck]

Originally Posted by scott91575

Eventually the blue collar come a knocking for their money. The Japanese saw it, and have had a much longer recession that America has ever seen. China will see it too.

Crying about money is the white mans game. The Asian is focused on money and not concerned about liberal non sense. This country would be snapped in half buy the Asian. The moral concerns of Americans simply assuage the liberals guilt while the rest of the world is concerned about making money.

We're goners because people have compassion while the Asian is concerned about money

[scott91575]

Originally Posted by DaytonBuck

Crying about money is the white mans game. The Asian is focused on money and not concerned about liberal non sense. This country would be snapped in half buy the Asian. The moral concerns of Americans simply assuage the liberals guilt while the rest of the world is concerned about making money.

We're goners because people have compassion while the Asian is concerned about money

Yeah, like when the Japanese bought up half of Manhattan and sold it back years later at a loss (despite increasing real estate at that time). There is guilt, and there is appeasing the masses. There is pride, and then there is stupidity. All nations have gone through it all. The Persians did it before the Greeks. The Greeks did it before the Romans. The Romans did it before the British (sadly, over a 1000 year gap). The British did it before the US. The US did it before the Japanese (these days it's so fast it happens before the crown can even pass). Next are the Koreans, and then the Chinese.

It spans generations and races. All you are is a British man in the 40's saying the same thing about the US. Yet in todays age, 60 years is about 15.

[DaytonBuck]

Originally Posted by scott91575

Yeah, like when the Japanese bought up half of Manhattan and sold it back years later at a loss (despite increasing real estate at that time). There is guilt, and there is appeasing the masses. There is pride, and then there is stupidity. All nations have gone through it all. The Persians did it before the Greeks. The Greeks did it before the Romans. The Romans did it before the British (sadly, over a 1000 year gap). The British did it before the US. The US did it before the Japanese (these days it's so fast it happens before the crown can even pass). Next are the Koreans, and then the Chinese.

It spans generations and races. All you are is a British man in the 40's saying the same thing about the US. Yet in todays age, 60 years is about 15.

The Asian enjoys you and Gator. The Japanese bought up half of America but it never changed their mentality. No Japenese person puts their ancestors up on the cross for their crimes in China. While Gator and you sit back the Asian eats his meal of rat meat and grows stronger. Gator sits in the bush and he grows weaker. He doesn't even know he's in Saigon anymore.

[scott91575]

Originally Posted by DaytonBuck

The Asian enjoys you and Gator. The Japanese bought up half of America but it never changed their mentality. No Japenese person puts their ancestors up on the cross for their crimes in China. While Gator and you sit back the Asian eats his meal of rat meat and grows stronger. Gator sits in the bush and he grows weaker. He doesn't even know he's in Saigon anymore.

Did I just get transported into Apocalypse Now?

[DaytonBuck]

Originally Posted by scott91575

Did I just get transported into Apocalypse Now?

It's true the Asian laughs at our conventions of morality. He just sits in the bush