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I don't think the admin is going to ask for it or congress would pass it. I saw a report citing some estimates the other day that the Jan stim money is only about 10% out there. Goldman estimated it's had about 40% of the potential impact though when you add in the tax cuts. I think what you might see is some more aid for the states.

Here's where I got those numbers: How Much of the Stimulus Has Actually Been Implemented? - The Stash
If this is 40% of the potential impact... uh... yeah. Not good.
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Obama Says Economic Stimulus Plan Worked as Intended (Update2) - Bloomberg.com
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Obama, in his speech, said the stimulus program is helping state governments save jobs. Were it not for the program, the president said, “state deficits would be nearly twice as large as they are now, resulting in tens of thousands of additional layoffs -- layoffs that would affect police officers, teachers, and firefighters.”
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In a Bloomberg interview last month, the president said he expected unemployment rates to exceed 10 percent.
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the title and the headlines say it. its doing its job, its keeping the union jobs from completely falling down while having an adverse effect on the private sector.
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Hot Air ? Blog Archive ? New Hampshire stimulus: $8.32 million per job


New Hampshire got 432 million in the stimulus. Thus far it has created 50 jobs.
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Hot Air ? Blog Archive ? New Hampshire stimulus: $8.32 million per job


New Hampshire got 432 million in the stimulus. Thus far it has created 50 jobs.
You see, the difference between bush and obama is that with obama, the money is actually going to trickle down this time.
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Stimulus Is Bankrupt Antidote to Failed Stimulus: Kevin Hassett - Bloomberg.com
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July 13 (Bloomberg) -- The Obama administration began to prepare the ground for another stimulus package last week, amid countless signs that the first one isn’t working.
While the president’s favorite partisan economists held hands and chanted in unison from the Keynesian prayer book, Warren Buffett captured the mood of the American people when he said that the first stimulus package “was sort of like taking half a tablet of Viagra and then having also a bunch of candy mixed in.”
The simple arithmetic of the February stimulus suggests that Buffett got it wrong. It wasn’t half a tablet of Viagra with candy; it was a tiny dose of a mysterious herbal remedy, with a stick of sugarless gum.
The so-called American Recovery and Reinvestment Act allotted $787 billion, divided into two main parts. The lion’s share, about $499 billion, was devoted to Keynesian-style government spending measures. The remaining $288 billion took the form of tax relief.

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one of the major issues is the "tax relief" was actually a refund, not any sort of tax relief. it reflected rebates, aka welfare to non tax paying americans.
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According to the latest data on the spending side, $174 billion has been “made available” and about $60 billion has been “spent.”
that is of 787b. or 174/787=22% or 60/787=7.6%
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Of the $60 billion, roughly $13 billion was simply mailed to seniors by the Social Security Administration as a one-time payment. That money should really be thought of as being similar to tax relief, which we will discuss in a moment. Another $40.5 billion went to the Department of Health and Human Services, which mainly provides grants to state governments, which themselves have trouble spending money in a timely fashion.
my math then says 7b for "emergency" stimulus...
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Keynesians hope that such payments will stimulate consumption. Critics dating back to Milton Friedman argue that individuals will save rather than consume much of the money. The data are now in, and a clear spike in savings occurred just as the stimulus checks began arriving. The spike is larger than even the most pessimistic economist might have expected.
weve seen this, our savings rate is positive for the first time in a long time. (a good thing) but not for "stimulus"
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Putting it all together, the stimulus raised total personal income by about $22 billion from March through May.
Over this same period, the BEA estimates personal saving increased by $1.94 billion in March, $12.18 billion in April, and $13.36 billion in May, for a total of about $27 billion. In other words, the spike in savings was bigger than the stimulus.
like i initially stated on my views on this. guys like friedman seemed to have nailed this...
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So the stimulus bill had two parts, and neither has succeeded. The government-spending part has yet to occur, and the individual-tax part appears to have been saved. That’s a big reason why the economy still stinks.
as the repubs stated prior to this, this plan=fail
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Fixing the economy may well be necessary and may well require policy changes. But another stimulus plan like the last one would be a recipe only for a bigger deficit. Given how little of the medicine has made it to the patient, it is appalling that anyone might have the temerity to call for more of the same.
as ive stated before this bill has a "cost" that is about 150b greater than what is assumed of the 787b cost. when you toss in "tax cuts" for things like captain morgan moving, etc... the plan was a failboat, and it continues to be a failboat, if the econ recovers it will be inspite of such aciton, im throughtly waiting for "jobless recovery" circa 1993... they surely wasted the massive amount of "stimulus" on nothing more than junk. while the obama admin has blamed this on their "misreadings" of the bush admin and has gone as far and blamed it on the "bush numbers" even though they had been in office for a multiple months...
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"weve seen this, our savings rate is positive for the first time in a long time. (a good thing) but not for "stimulus""

I saw Peter Schiff (the crazy doomsday guy who has been right about everything except how to profit from it) on CNBC tonight. He brought up a great point regarding the recent rise in savings rate. He said all the savings is coming from gov't, who is borrowing to provide said savings. Net/net as a country, there really is no true savings we have only shifted the debt.
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"weve seen this, our savings rate is positive for the first time in a long time. (a good thing) but not for "stimulus""

I saw Peter Schiff (the crazy doomsday guy who has been right about everything except how to profit from it) on CNBC tonight. He brought up a great point regarding the recent rise in savings rate. He said all the savings is coming from gov't, who is borrowing to provide said savings. Net/net as a country, there really is no true savings we have only shifted the debt.
14, read the quote directly below that... 22b in stimulus and 27b in savings. those 22b in federal doubt (reality is we dont have way to pay for any of this) vs 27b of us consumer savings. so yes, i generally agree...
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You see, the difference between bush and obama is that with obama, the money is actually going to trickle down this time.

True - Pres. Bush just cut you a check and put it in the mail. There was no trickle needed
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True - Pres. Bush just cut you a check and put it in the mail. There was no trickle needed
and it went straight to visa, mastercard, amex, or people's savings accounts. that "stimulus" was an epic fail as well.
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This "stimulus" is starting to look a lot to me like sugar in one's diet. One hopes for the short-term infusion of energy; if it doesn't come, it's a real bummer because after the rush, you snooze.
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Driving down I-475 near Toledo, I saw my first sign of the Stimulus. Literally. There was a road side sign announcing that this work project was part of H.R. 1: American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.

I find out that Ohio will be spending quite a bit of stimulus money on, believe it, signs touting the stimulus. One report says over $60,000, another says closer to $600,000.
And Ohio is not the state spending the most stimulus money on stimulus. All of the states that are larger in both area and population. New York, Pennsylvania, Texas, and California are all spending more.
I understand there will be several million spent throughout the country ON SIGNS, and that the White House is encouraging it.

There is more and more outrage about this whole thing, and this is just another sign of it.

PolitiFact | Bennett says stimulus is spending too much on road signs promoting stimulus

State issues stop-work order on federal stimulus road signs - NewsChannel 9 WSYR
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I find out that Ohio will be spending quite a bit of stimulus money on, believe it, signs touting the stimulus. One report says over $60,000...

There is more and more outrage about this whole thing ...
Yeah, getting outraged over $60K makes a lot of sense when $2 trillion is being spent.

I wish people could get some sense of perspective.
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I blame the American Sign Fabricators lobbyists for the entire collapse of the American economy.
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Hey, just noticed something. Shouldn't the "Erin Andrews Nude Videos" posts be merged into this "Stimulus Package" thread?
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Yeah, getting outraged over $60K makes a lot of sense when $2 trillion is being spent.

I wish people could get some sense of perspective.
60-600k in one states, their are 50 states and a federal district, toss in the 17m for the website, thats a sizable chunk of change. this whole package is costing us 100m in purely interest daily....
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