Tea Parties (2009)

[Gatorubet]

..."Bush is going to war with Iraq or whoever he wants to bomb the [censored] out of, and if he's wiretapping our conversations it's to save the rights of your pussy bitch ass to protest the very things he is doing to protect you, so go crawl in a hole and [censored] yourself you anti-american [censored]wad!"

"Guess what? The tax and spend guys won fair and square, and are taxing and spending. Now, you have to eat the [censored] sandwich - philosophically speaking - for the next four years. Get over it! "

So, absent a few of the curse words, I'm not sure why a person of your obvious intelligence would espouse such a response in kind here.

1) It is not at all obvious I'm intelligent...ask anybody!

2) As to the absence of a few curse words, neither the tone nor the subject of my post is a personal attack of such an obvious nature as your example. And if "eat a [censored] sandwich - philosophically speaking" is deemed by anyone to be so indelicate that they are offended - then remain offended. I am writing for the sensibilities of this board and its collective personalities, and if that is deemed to be over the top insulting of a person in the same way that your pussy bitch ass and go crawl in a hole and [censored] yourself you anti-american [censored]wad are, then I am certainly guilty of misreading that. To be exact, I don't accept your analogy as apt at all. I am happy to agree to disagree...but I have a WTF look on my face that you'd equate the two.

3) And it seems like a waste of bandwidth, but I usually often try to do things to dampen the overall pitch of the thing. For instance, I started off with an admission that the sample size was too small, that I was not there in person, to make my observation anything more than a guess based on the "feel" of the events - at least so far as the Obama stuff was concerned. That is why I wanted to hear from someone who was actually there.

As to the gist of what I said, I really am shocked at the fact conservatives who bemoaned the "tax and spend democrats" are going bat [censored] because they are taxing and spending. Who'd a thunk?

Really, BL, all I can say is that I think the skin thickness comment may be more apropos to you, at least if you think that your comment is the emotional functional equivalent to mine. And no, I was not trying to go with "I know you are - but what am I" with that comment, but I have to say that I am misreading your reading of why mine was so virulent. Sometimes a response is due to the overall posting by someone, and the emotional tone poem, as it were, of the last several posts (thinking of the Archbishop posts here). So it is likely my bad, but for a different reason than you profess. Anyway, I was referencing the non-BP tea party participants, and not intending to include present company. So instead of a [censored] sandwich, let me change it to a spam and Velveeta on wonder bread with miracle whip sandwich.

[MaxBuck]

Originally Posted by DaytonBuck

YouTube - Columbus Ohio TEA Party, 2009

These are from Success: The Revolution Begins in the Thousands, one of the guys on the site an OSU student was one of the organizers of the event

So, Dayton, did the Tea Partiers have to give the kickball players the boot?

[Steve19]

I've seen some protests in Columbus in my time. This looked a whole lot more like a PTA meeting.

[Steve19]

Be very thankful that you live in the country in which one can freely speak in opposition to government and its policies. It is a blessing that people in the majority of countries do not believe that they have.

[lvbuckeye]

Originally Posted by MuckFich06

Yeah, and? We no longer have taxation without representation.

congress doesn't represent the people. congress represents wall street, the corporations and special interests. so far, in the last 6 months, they've spent enough money to give every man, woman and child in the country thousands of dollars. and who gets to foot the bill? we, the people, who weren't even in favor of the bailouts or stimulus packages.

where did all the money go? in your pocket? i'm fairly certain none of it ended up in mine. the fact that the stock market went up 1500 points is a [censored]ing joke. OF COURSE the banks are going to show profits. you just gave them a [censored]ing trillion dollars! meanwhile, we the people are losing 700,000 jobs every month! how many jobs are going to disappear when GM closes 2,000 dealerships? has anyone thought about that?

and those bufoons on CNBC are just cheeleading away! "the market's going back up! hooray! everything is fixed. the bear market is over, and it's time to start buying again!" please. the economy isn't fixed. it's NO WHERE NEAR being fixed. until you get Wall Street out of the government, it won't be. we're all being robbed blind.

Thomas Jefferson was dead right regarding bankers.

[lvbuckeye]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

And Jim, they passed them all without the colonies having elected officials in on the vote. So you are right that a lot was at work besides the phrase, but you must admit that they all were shoved down our throat by a Parliment in which we had no voice.

kind of like Congress being urged to "step up to the plate" and pass an 1100 page spending bill with less than an hour to read it? kind of like the way the patriot act was given less than an hour to review it before the vote?

YouTube - Tax Day Tea Party ALBANY, NY 4.15.09 -...

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Originally Posted by Steve19

I've seen some protests in Columbus in my time. This looked a whole lot more like a PTA meeting.

Conservatives know as much about a protest as RR knows about Defense.

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Originally Posted by lvbuckeye

congress doesn't represent the people. congress represents wall street, the corporations and special interests. so far, in the last 6 months, they've spent enough money to give every man, woman and child in the country thousands of dollars. and who gets to foot the bill? we, the people, who weren't even in favor of the bailouts or stimulus packages.

where did all the money go? in your pocket? i'm fairly certain none of it ended up in mine. the fact that the stock market went up 1500 points is a [censored]ing joke. OF COURSE the banks are going to show profits. you just gave them a [censored]ing trillion dollars! meanwhile, we the people are losing 700,000 jobs every month! how many jobs are going to disappear when GM closes 2,000 dealerships? has anyone thought about that?

and those bufoons on CNBC are just cheeleading away! "the market's going back up! hooray! everything is fixed. the bear market is over, and it's time to start buying again!" please. the economy isn't fixed. it's NO WHERE NEAR being fixed. until you get Wall Street out of the government, it won't be. we're all being robbed blind.

Thomas Jefferson was dead right regarding bankers.

I don't disagree. But, I would observe there is representation of "the people" by all appearances, and these protests didn't appear to me to be aimed at the points you observe. It appeared aimed at Democrats, to re-enforce the attitude that all they do is spend spend spend (Even in the face of the Bush administration). Likewise, I'm not sure the high caliber money makers you mention... the wall street types.... are Liberals... If you follow what I'm saying, doesn't this mean the Teabaggers were protesting themselves?

[jimotis4heisman]

Originally Posted by Steve19

I've seen some protests in Columbus in my time. This looked a whole lot more like a PTA meeting.

columbus is exactly a protesting town like it was when you lived here steve. this was probably the biggest non presidential rally (outside of teamster blockades of downtown in the 90s) that i have seen in the past 15 or so years. i spent yesterday afternoon in my downtown office and was mildly suprised by how many people. the dispatch reported 7k, i left downtown at about 615 and i would not have guessed that many.
The Columbus Dispatch : This 'tea party' boiling mad

Originally Posted by Steve19

Be very thankful that you live in the country in which one can freely speak in opposition to government and its policies. It is a blessing that people in the majority of countries do not believe that they have.

agreed. and it was done relatively peacefully and without major incident, kudos to all involved for that. i mean nothing like a protest going violent. that is the one reason ive never been to one and never plan on it. a mobof people all it takes is a few idiots...

[jimotis4heisman]

Originally Posted by Buckeyeskickbuttocks

I don't disagree. But, I would observe there is representation of "the people" by all appearances, and these protests didn't appear to me to be aimed at the points you observe. It appeared aimed at Democrats, to re-enforce the attitude that all they do is spend spend spend (Even in the face of the Bush administration). Likewise, I'm not sure the high caliber money makers you mention... the wall street types.... are Liberals... If you follow what I'm saying, doesn't this mean the Teabaggers were protesting themselves?

ord kept telling me that 3-1 donations to the dems from wall st was supposed to mean the end of the gop. or maybe it was a "down payment" as barack likes to call it on corp welfare.

if they were protesting the Ds or the left, who cares. you didnt seem to have major issues with anti war protests on 15th/high or in worthington of 20 people, you know that was a sign of "solidarity" or how the anti war movement got 1m people nationwide at varying locals to protest the war on given days.

the shoes on the other foot. it appears the people were relatively calm and little/no violence occured. so i dont see much to complain about. if people want to protest fur, or a company, or something doing it in a peaceful no disruptive way im absolutely fine with that. they have that right.

[Buckeye86]

do these tea parties have a guiding manifesto that I could look at? it seems to me that they don't know exactly what they are protesting other than "government spending" but are they advocating scrapping social security? medicare and medicaid? road repair? national defense? just the bailouts and the stimulus package? where is the line being drawn at

also, this is a trick question (shhh) because if they do draw the line somewhere then I call bull[censored], it's okay racking up copious amounts of debt on the programs I mentioned (which I doubt very many people are willing to cut) but it is wrong to do it on things that don't directly benefit themselves (at least in the short term)

it's okay to tea bag other people, but if the the tea bags swung back and hit them in the face then there would be protests about cutting government programs and many of the same people would probably attend

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Originally Posted by jimotis4heisman

ord kept telling me that 3-1 donations to the dems from wall st was supposed to mean the end of the gop. or maybe it was a "down payment" as barack likes to call it on corp welfare.

Hmm... So, you contend that the high powered business types are flaming tax and spend libs? Curious.

if they were protesting the Ds or the left, who cares. you didnt seem to have major issues with anti war protests on 15th/high or in worthington of 20 people, you know that was a sign of "solidarity" or how the anti war movement got 1m people nationwide at varying locals to protest the war on given days.

the shoes on the other foot. it appears the people were relatively calm and little/no violence occured. so i dont see much to complain about. if people want to protest fur, or a company, or something doing it in a peaceful no disruptive way im absolutely fine with that. they have that right.

I'm not sure where you get the sense that I have a problem with this protest, much less "major issues" with it. True enough I think it quite silly, misdirected and poorly conceived.... but.. I'm sure people feel the same way about some of the [censored] I'd feel like "protesting" too.

Although, my protesting days are long over....

[jimotis4heisman]

[quote=Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1450956;]Hmm... So, you contend that the high powered business types are flaming tax and spend libs? Curious.

it doesnt take a rocket scientist to look at wall st and say hmm odd change here... ord trying explaining it as the end of the gop. i saw it as a down payment on corp welfare, isnt it odd they got their tarp, then ppip, mortgage rescues, etc etc. down payment.

I'm not sure where you get the sense that I have a problem with this protest, much less "major issues" with it. not you. youve got your views and you seem reasonable. honestly you and i could sit down at a table for one hour and probably create a canidate that you and i would vote for over most of the major leaders... True enough I think it quite silly, misdirected and poorly conceived.... but.. I'm sure people feel the same way about some of the [censored] I'd feel like "protesting" too. certainly. that was my point. its not a big deal when people you mostly agree with do it.(i say mostly, if it was something you were firm enough believer in then well you wouldnt likely feel that way)

Although, my protesting days are long over....personally never had any. i speak with my vote and my pocketbook....[/quote]

bold.


my only point was to paint this as a bunch of whack jobs is the same to paint those who marched against the war. i agree with a lot of these type things (not the end capitalism, end the nyse, kill the aig people type stuff) and i think that moderate demonstrations are fine and "needed" blah blah blah. they provide some resistance and keep it all honest and "moderate" things out. they have their rights and if either side is peaceful in doing so, fine by me...

[Buckeye86]

YouTube - Pensacola Tea Party 4-15-09

if increasing taxes and increasing spending is bad, wouldn't cutting taxes and increasing spending be worse?

[Gatorubet]

Originally Posted by lvbuckeye

kind of like Congress being urged to "step up to the plate" and pass an 1100 page spending bill with less than an hour to read it? kind of like the way the patriot act was given less than an hour to review it before the vote?

YouTube - Tax Day Tea Party ALBANY, NY 4.15.09 - Revolution is Brewing - Mike Eggleston PART 1

Bad representation is still representation. I hear that they will have an election soon to see if we still like those guys and gals that voted for it.

That's representation.