Ms. California (smear campaign)

[jimotis4heisman]

1-it offends me that we live in a world that if you speak out you get slammed. personally i think she is entitled to her view whether it be "right" or "wrong" thats america and that is a choice. she should be able to vocalize her view in a peaceful way, imo.
2-the reaction of perez hilton was embarrassing. he had a great opportunity after the question-response to make a meaningful impact on his personal and many other point of view and he (along with many others) only spewed hate and in reality their own form of bigotry back. rather than peacefully taking a stand and showing, telling the world he resulted to childish name calling and pure hatered. sad that such an oppurtunity was passed up to make an impact for those who truely are for tolerance, diveristy and in this case gay marriage.
3-she took some swimsuit and light lingerie photos as a kid, oh well. kids grow up, kids make mistakes, this is a what 18, 19 year old. old enough to live with their choices young enough that for non major offenses they shouldnt be hamstrung for life..
4-prop 8 failed because more people voted for it.
5-imo marriage (of any type) is a state issue. i am however glad that we live in a country that people have their choice to excercise their freedoms (even if they do have to move) in just the same way i am eligibil to excercise many of the freedoms i enjoy and respect (even though i cant do all of them in all states).

[BigWoof31]

Originally Posted by OCBuckWife

Also, as was mentioned, when someone chooses to place themselves in the public eye as she has, one must also accept the flipside that they place themselves under the jurisdiction of public opinion. Don't speak your peace in public forum and then expect people to leave you alone about it.

This is nonsense. She gave an honest answer to a question and now she's a target of those who disagree with her answer.

If people want to engage her in a fair debate - so be it and more power to them. But a major news network attempting to ruin her reputation? This is something thats never been seen before.

[BigWoof31]

Originally Posted by OSUsushichic

I was going to say the same thing, only in a more demeaning way.

If she wants to spew that garbage, let her defend herself. This is the population (plus Mormons) that defeated Prop 8.

I'm not a pollster - but wouldn't Mormons be counted in the population numbers? I realize you have exceptionally high levels of contempt for organized religion, but lets try not to exclude on the basis of said religion.

Originally Posted by OSUsushichic

It sickens me.

No puddin' pop - you're the one that's upsetting.

[BayBuck]

Originally Posted by OSUsushichic

This is the population (plus Mormons) that defeated Prop 8. It sickens me.

You mean the majority (which actually passed Prop 8)? Yeah, they can be pretty annoying.

[Apache]

To stir the pot a bit more:

In the case of the Miss America statement, it was her personal opinon. The judge who spewed the opinionated bile was totally wrong. It seems that someone can not have freedom of speech if it contrary to my beliefs and position.

As far as I am concerned, this is not the United States and first Amendment any longer. It has become the U.S. S. R., that is the United States Socialist (Socialism) Republic. Now wait until you see the new tax reforms too. We are in for a rude awakening.

In the big picture I don't care who marries who, but if I was attacked verbally by that judge, I would have shared a few choice words with that miscreant.

[MaxBuck]

1. In beauty pageants as in job interviews, you're judged not only by the thoughfulness and articulation of your answers, but also by whether the judges/interviewers predominantly agree with your point of view. This is probably a good lesson for Miss Prejean as she moves forward in life.

2. Expecting Perez Hilton to say anything thoughtful or intelligent is akin to expecting a rock to lactate.

3. Those who slam Miss Prejean either for posing as a lingerie model or for getting new [censored] are behaving in a ridiculous, hypocritical manner. If it's OK generally to do these things, why does being a Christian make it wrong? I don't recall Jesus addressing breast implants or other cosmetic surgery in any of His sermons.

4. If you are a contestant in beauty pageants, expecting people around you to behave in a ridiculous manner is probably a good idea, since it seems to be pretty much de rigeur in that scene.

[OSUsushichic]

Originally Posted by BigWoof31

No puddin' pop - you're the one that's upsetting.

Oh yes, my apologies for wanting equal rights for gay couples.

Originally Posted by BayBuck

You mean the majority (which actually passed Prop 8)? Yeah, they can be pretty annoying.

I'll fix that.

[Bucklion]

Miss California Photos Contract

From AOL, but interesting and I guess not surprising they might take away her crown in Cali.

[MaxBuck]

So now it's clear - not so much a "smear campaign against an outspoken contestant" as the actions of a girl who either neglected to read the terms of her contract or chose to disregard those terms.

[JohnnyCockfight]

Am I missing something here, or did she really pose nude? The picture that I saw is no worse than what you would find in a swimsuit competition.

[BrutuStrength]

Originally Posted by OSUsushichic

Oh yes, my apologies for wanting new/different/special rights for gay couples, to placate a bogus claim of inequality.

FIFY

[stxbuck]

Originally Posted by OSUsushichic

You're trying to pin this on race? Poll after poll notes that this was driven by religion and income, not by race. Of course there were some minorities that voted for this, and that sucks, but they're not solely responsible. At least the New England states and Iowa have it right. It's only a matter of time. Stx, time to shelter your children before they're affected!!!11

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/jtf/JTF_Prop8JTF.pdf

Driving Factors of Prop 8 Vote - Let California Ring

People For the American Way: Blaming Black Voters for Prop 8 Loss is Wrong and Destructive
Poll By Public Policy Institute Of California Says Income, Religion Played Role In Prop 8 Vote - cbs2.com

You seem quite comfortable bashing Mormons for the high % of people in their faith who voted for Proposition 8, yet you seem to want to exempt African American and Hispanic Christians from your vitriol-could this be because Mormons tend to be very white and very conservative, while most minority Christians are not(conservative)? Liberals want to have their diversity cake and eat it too-they will gladly prattle on about how they live in a multicultural, diverse neighborhood, and have friends of every religion and sexual preference available, yet they seem uncomfortable discussing-or accepting- the conservative religious practices of their diverse friends-just read the People for the American Way article posted above.

[BigWoof31]

Originally Posted by stxbuck

You seem quite comfortable bashing Mormons for the high % of people in their faith who voted for Proposition 8, yet you seem to want to exempt African American and Hispanic Christians from your vitriol-could this be because Mormons tend to be very white and very conservative, while most minority Christians are not(conservative)? Liberals want to have their diversity cake and eat it too-they will gladly prattle on about how they live in a multicultural, diverse neighborhood, and have friends of every religion and sexual preference available, yet they seem uncomfortable discussing-or accepting (OR CONFRONTING)- the conservative religious practices of their diverse friends-just read the People for the American Way article posted above.

More succinctly put - its easier for those on the left to criticize white people than criticize persons of color.
They've got a good thing going with those guaranteed votes and they aren't willing to upset the apple cart. But, I mean, obviously don't call them out on this. That makes you a racist.

[BUCKYLE]

Who gives a flying [censored] what some bimbo beauty pageant bitch thinks about any [censored]ing thing? They shouldn't even have to answer questions. Just shake what your momma gave you and move on.

[BigWoof31]

I think this is a point that needs to be more strongly emphasized.

Last edited by BigWoof31; Yesterday at 05:24 PM. Reason: I'd hit it