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Not worth the fight imo. Team GOP needs to gear up for the fight on the Healthcare spend-a-palooza.

I've always viewed SCOTUS nominees as "to the victor, go the spoils" awards for The President.

Besides - I've read that Judge Soto is pretty moderate in terms of economic issues, so perhaps we'll luck out.
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Brilliant!!! Further drives a wedge into the elephants and the Latin vote, and as she was originally nominated by W's daddy, she is not a liberal ideologue (note: to a right winger, anyone left of Scalia is an "activist" ). Her qualifications and her interesting public housing to Supreme Court story will be attractive to the independents, moderates, liberals, women, and Latinos.

The old mean white men party will look even older, whiter and meaner with opposition to this pick. Very good pick politically, IMO.
Yeah, except no one cares who your last pick is, just your next one.

Anyway, provided she vetts out, no need to kick up too much dust over it... if they want a fight, fight over the "Alito" pick, I'm sure this is the "Roberts" pick.

Having said that, I worry considering the "vetting" of some of Obama's other appointments... ideology aside, this woman had better be bulletproof personally.
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... ideology aside, this woman had better be bulletproof personally.
I hope she is, as upon initial review she seems like a good choice. But Barry's vetting process so far appears to have been casual, at best.
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Not worth the fight imo. Team GOP needs to gear up for the fight on the Healthcare spend-a-palooza.

I've always viewed SCOTUS nominees as "to the victor, go the spoils" awards for The President.

Besides - I've read that Judge Soto is pretty moderate in terms of economic issues, so perhaps we'll luck out.
I agree-even though her "Latina richness vs. old white male" comment makes think she smelled some grafitti paint fumes in the South Bronx.
This is not a nominee that suggests the president is throwing down the ideological gauntlet particularly hard, she should be confirmed fairly quickly, barring any Team Barry vetting fiascoes.
Also, FWIW, her original appointment by George Sr. was a result of him playing "one for me, one for you" on judges w/ NY Sen. Moynihan, w/ Judge Sotomayor being Moynihan's pick; at least according to the talking heads on 700 WLW.
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One comment of Judge Sotomayor's that right-wing bloggers have gotten very exercised about is that the "Court of Appeals is where policy is made." Michelle Malkin is particularly incensed over this remark. Michelle Malkin ? SCOTUS pick: Sonia Sotomayor But I'm not clear on what the basis is for that concern.

Judge Sotomayor did not say that the CofA is where law is made. Rather, it's where policy is made (i.e.: where precedent is set). And she is unequivocally correct in this. It reads to me like Malkin and her ilk need some basic civics lessons.
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One comment of Judge Sotomayor's that right-wing bloggers have gotten very exercised about is that the "Court of Appeals is where policy is made." Michelle Malkin is particularly incensed over this remark. Michelle Malkin ? SCOTUS pick: Sonia Sotomayor But I'm not clear on what the basis is for that concern.

Judge Sotomayor did not say that the CofA is where law is made. Rather, it's where policy is made (i.e.: where precedent is set). And she is unequivocally correct in this. It reads to me like Malkin and her ilk need some basic civics lessons.
Yep. Look at ERISA or Civil rights litigation. That load of poorly written crap is usually decided by the CofA, and the rulings that they make on applying the law and on burdens of proof, etc, wind up being the road map by which everybody submits their future claims and tries their cases.

Absolutely true statement. Look at the Ledbetter case for instance, or in police brutality cases, the Heck case. They determine if you have a case in the latter, and when it has to be filed in the former. All policy arising out of unclear legislation as applied to unforeseen factual scenarios.
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not the most obnoxious choice the Messiah could have made.
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A latino judge says that a latino woman who has been thru their life can make better decisions than a white male is ok to say? But if a white male says the reverse than he is vilified. Where is the outrage ?
Why is this statment not too racist and sexist for a supreme court judge?
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Well, I suppose a good question would be-- if we're talking opinions being overturned by SCOTUS-- are they being overturned 5-4 or 9-0. And, 9-0 isn't very uncommon... in fact if I had to guess, the court probably issues opinions on about 100 cases a year, and I'd bet that 20-30 of those are 9-0 rulings. I'd also guess that any given Justice votes with the "majority" on average 80% of the time in any particular session...

Oh, hell let me look.

Here we go... appears that Justice Tevens was the "least in the majority opinion" in 2008, and was in the majority 65% of the time.

Looks like we have about 60 cases here... with about 20 or so 9-0's. (Yeah, I "page down counted")... and... yeah... Looks like Justice Stevens and Scalia agreed (or at least voted the same way) in over 30 cases...... BAAAAAAAAAAAH, what's happening to the world?

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In a way, if you wanted to take even the 5-4's out of the equation... you might look to see if there are an unusual number of writs of certiorari granted by SCOTUS for a partcular circuit or Judge... though, I'm not sure the above mentioned pool is a very big sample, but, at any rate, that's the stuff I'd look for with these "Overturned" cases...

Bottom line is, if she's just out there making [censored] up as she goes, it's probably pretty obvious. (No idea if she is or isn't)
I thought your approach of tallying the appeals to turnover ratio was very worthwhile.

I'd like to extend it in a little way.

The number of opinions written by Sotomayor - 380+

The number of those opinions to which SCOTUS granted cert - 6

The number of those opinions overturned by SCOTUS - 3

So - percentage of Sotomayor opinions overturned by current SCOTUS - 0.500 (good if you are a baseball player, but this is judging).

Percentage of opinions SCOTUS deemed worthy of further consideration - 1.6%

Another contextual tidbit - SCOTUS typically reverses a high percentage of opinions they hear - often as high as 75%.
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A latino judge says that a latino woman who has been thru their life can make better decisions than a white male is ok to say? But if a white male says the reverse than he is vilified. Where is the outrage ?
Why is this statment not too racist and sexist for a supreme court judge?
The Messiah has appointed her. Thou Shalt Not question.
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A latino judge says that a latino woman who has been thru their life can make better decisions than a white male is ok to say? But if a white male says the reverse than he is vilified. Where is the outrage ?
Why is this statment not too racist and sexist for a supreme court judge?

I'm with BB on this...
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I'm with BB on this...
Nobody said latinas make "better" legal decisions. She does bring a wealth of different life experience and a worldview to the bench that an old white man does not have. Different thing.



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