2009 election results (official)

[BayBuck]

Originally Posted by CookyPuss

5% reporting and Issue 3 is at 65% yes. Make no mistake, this vote is all about JOBS.

Originally Posted by Best Buckeye

No, it's about money.

Too bad those casinos won't add a net increase in jobs OR money for Ohio. And $50M for a license?? The state could charge $500M and still have multiple bidders for them. Way to see the big picture, Cleveland and Cincinnati!

[buckeyegrad]

Originally Posted by jimotis4heisman

their was no "republican" in that race...

i think i think it rather shows the third party approach isnt a good idea if you want to win elections

What NY23 really showed us last night is that the Republican party officials of that district were clueless as to what they were doing. If they had nominated a fiscally-conservative, moderate Republican--as opposed to a liberal Republican on both economic and social issues--this whole mess would have been avoided and the district would have stayed red.

[cincibuck]

I'm all for giving our current vets a pat on the back and a buck or two in the wallet.

In fact, I'm so grateful that I'm willing to pay taxes to see that it's done, but no we voted in a bonus paid for by bond sales... so we'll end up much like what is being revealed about the bail out of banks, the folks at Cardinal will make far more money selling those damn bonds -- and the bonds needed to retire these bonds, and the bonds needed to pay off the bonds sold to pay off the bonds sold to pay off the bonds -- than any of the deserving vets will ever see.

Making money off of false patriotism... for shame.

[BigWoof31]

Originally Posted by Steve19

Two observations. First, every time a Republican or Democrat wins a by-election or interim election, someone will claim that this says something about the Obama administration. Either side will be wrong. People don't vote to send a message about the President. They vote because of local issues primarily.

Second, Republicans have plenty more poll information to be worried about. Despite the protestations of your party leader, when the number of people willing to identify themselves as members of your party continues to slide and hits 20%, you have a problem. His assertions that he "doesn't care" and "only cares about how they vote" can't truly reflect the party's real views.

I think its embarassing simply because of the number of "big guns" that came out for Hoffman. Romney, Pawlenty, Saracuda, Huck...etc

[NewYorkBuck]

Originally Posted by BayBuck

Too bad those casinos won't add a net increase in jobs OR money for Ohio. And $50M for a license?? The state could charge $500M and still have multiple bidders for them. Way to see the big picture, Cleveland and Cincinnati!

Just more misdirected politics. Casinos do not make money by adding value, they make money by taking a percentage of value risked. Like stimulus and bailouts, simply moving value to value destroying enterprises is nothing other than economic disaster in the long run.

If you want to bring your economy out of the dumps, do everything you can to encourage value-creating enterprises to operate in your city/state/country. It really is that simple.

[BigWoof31]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

Fortunately for those facing that discrimination, the demographic that opposes same sex marriage is dying off at a rather accelerated rate. Matter of time, really. Like segregation, what was an entrenched mindset is giving way to a more enlightened view. I saw Mississippi Burning tonight again, and it reminded me of how certain "truths" of one era are fast becoming just a quaint and rather embarrassing historical footnote.

I mostly agree - but a couple of quick thoughts on the matter:

1. After the Maine vote - Gay Marriage statewide vote proposals are 0-31.

2. Whoever is in charge of nationwide communication on the importance of this issue need to be fired. Losing in middle America is one thing - losing in California and Maine is something else.

3. If supporters of the issue are looking to the White House or Capitol Hill to help jam the issue through the judicial system - I hope they brought a magazine and a good book - because they will be waiting for awhile. No politician (no matter how far to the left they lean) will touch an issue that is 0-31. It's a loser and they'll distance themselves from it.

[tsteele316]

Originally Posted by NewYorkBuck

Just more misdirected politics. Casinos do not make money by adding value, they make money by taking a percentage of value risked. Like stimulus and bailouts, simply moving value to value destroying enterprises is nothing other than economic disaster in the long run.

If you want to bring your economy out of the dumps, do everything you can to encourage value-creating enterprises to operate in your city/state/country. It really is that simple.

generally this is true, and it would be true here if ohio already had legalized gambling and was simply building more casinos in-state. but, since they don't, there is value added in money being spent out of state being brought back in-state.

[BayBuck]

Originally Posted by NewYorkBuck

Just more misdirected politics. Casinos do not make money by adding value, they make money by taking a percentage of value risked. Like stimulus and bailouts, simply moving value to value destroying enterprises is nothing other than economic disaster in the long run.

If you want to bring your economy out of the dumps, do everything you can to encourage value-creating enterprises to operate in your city/state/country. It really is that simple.

34000 JOBS! !!11!BARWIS!!

[OH10]

Originally Posted by BigWoof31

I mostly agree - but a couple of quick thoughts on the matter:

1. After the Maine vote - Gay Marriage statewide vote proposals are 0-31.

2. Whoever is in charge of nationwide communication on the importance of this issue need to be fired. Losing in middle America is one thing - losing in California and Maine is something else.

3. If supporters of the issue are looking to the White House or Capitol Hill to help jam the issue through the judicial system - I hope they brought a magazine and a good book - because they will be waiting for awhile. No politician (no matter how far to the left they lean) will touch an issue that is 0-31. It's a loser and they'll distance themselves from it.

Its 0-31. But most of those losses weren't competitive. As the old codgers naturally die off, the issue will gain more and more steam. As Gator said, its a matter of when, not if.

[BigWoof31]

Originally Posted by OH10

. As the old codgers naturally die off, the issue will gain more and more steam. As Gator said, its a matter of when, not if.

Ahh - so that's why the DNC is pushing national healthcare....

1.Take over healthcare
2.Deny treatment to seniors and 40 year olds with pre-exhisting conditions
3.They die
4.Gay Marriage for everyone!!!111

[Gatorubet]

Originally Posted by BigWoof31

I mostly agree - but a couple of quick thoughts on the matter:

1. After the Maine vote - Gay Marriage statewide vote proposals are 0-31.

2. Whoever is in charge of nationwide communication on the importance of this issue need to be fired. Losing in middle America is one thing - losing in California and Maine is something else.

3. If supporters of the issue are looking to the White House or Capitol Hill to help jam the issue through the judicial system - I hope they brought a magazine and a good book - because they will be waiting for awhile. No politician (no matter how far to the left they lean) will touch an issue that is 0-31. It's a loser and they'll distance themselves from it.

Which is why it was so brilliant of Rove to use it as a wedge issue. Brilliant! It is a gift that keeps on giving for the GOP, and it also is the view of many black voters, which is an ironic plus for them.

[cincibuck]

Originally Posted by buckeyegrad

What NY23 really showed us last night is that the Republican party officials of that district were clueless as to what they were doing. If they had nominated a fiscally-conservative, moderate Republican--as opposed to a liberal Republican on both economic and social issues--this whole mess would have been avoided and the district would have stayed red.

You mean that Dr. Land gets to set the litmus test and the party had better toe the line? That may work in the south for a few more election cycles, but keep in mind that the party is polling at 20 and going lower, especially with younger voters. Also this was an off year election -- those are always big for wealthy, suburban, white, older voters who show up every first Tuesday in November. In Hamilton County you had huge decisions being made by less that 25% of the possible voters.

It's a tough lesson for poor, urban, non-white voters to learn and they pay for it. But it can also give a false sense of security to the GOP that sees this as a rebuttal of Obama.

[Bucklion]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

Which is why it was so brilliant of Rove to use it as a wedge issue. Brilliant! It is a gift that keeps on giving for the GOP, and it also is the view of many black voters, which is an ironic plus for them.

Doesn't seem like hispanic voters support it much either, which actually is one of the big battlegrounds for the GOP.

[Bucklion]

Originally Posted by cincibuck

You mean that Dr. Land gets to set the litmus test and the party had better toe the line? That may work in the south for a few more election cycles, but keep in mind that the party is polling at 20 and going lower, especially with younger voters. Also this was an off year election -- those are always big for wealthy, suburban, white, older voters who show up every first Tuesday in November. In Hamilton County you had huge decisions being made by less that 25% of the possible voters.

It's a tough lesson for poor, urban, non-white voters to learn and they pay for it. But it can also give a false sense of security to the GOP that sees this as a rebuttal of Obama.

So is your position that the overall support for Obama is the same (or similar) to a year ago at the election time? Because the poll last night on TV that showed that 65% of Independents in NJ voted for Christie (and only 31% for Corzine) would seem to dispute that, as would Obama's recent poll numbers.

[cincibuck]

Originally Posted by Bucklion

So is your position that the overall support for Obama is the same (or similar) to a year ago at the election time? Because the poll last night on TV that showed that 65% of Independents in NJ voted for Christie (and only 31% for Corzine) would seem to dispute that, as would Obama's recent poll numbers.

"Independents" covers a good bit of territory -- 65% of 25% of the possible independent voters. God bless the folks who turn up and vote each election. That's their right and their duty, but keep in mind that off year voters are older, whiter, wealthier, better educated, more conservative than those who vote only on even years or only on presidential elections. My take is that the conservative block showed up in much stronger numbers and the fact that it was not a presidential or even year election had much to do with it.

My junior year at OSU Columbus had a garbage strike that went on from early January to mid March. Thank God it was a very cold winter and most of the stuff froze and stayed frozen.

One of my poli sci profs stated in February, "Watch what happens when the strike ends. See which neighborhoods get service restored quickest. What you will see is who votes in city elections."

Sure enough, strike ended and the first areas cleaned up were Clintonville, Whetstone, German Village and Eastmoor, followed by Brookhaven, Northland and then finally North, South, West side, Linden McKinley, East and last of all Mohawk.

If you looked at poll data from the time frame the resumption of services followed a direct line of high voter turn out in elections. You get what you vote for. Hard lesson for the poor to figure out.