New Reds owner fires GM O'Brien

[TraderLee]

Originally Posted by crazybuckfan40

Perferably one with a sinker or can keep that ball low, b/c I have seen way to many balls go out of GABP in teh past couple years.

About that, does it take a genius to figure out that ground ball pitchers = fewer balls going out of GABP?

If Kearns can get good pitching in return (no more Dave Williamses) I'm all for it. But these rumors are about two weeks old and no longer have substance according to the team.

Usually by the time you hear a trade rumor, it's dead. If there is validity to it, you are hearing that the trade has been done.

[Jaxbuck]

The groundball vs flyball thing is nice but how about we just go develop some pitchers who miss the other teams [censored]ing bats?

Pitching to contact was the dumbest thing I've ever heard (except for the words Eric Milton and 27 million in the same sentance).


BTW, regarding Milton. There is no shortage of stats showing how truely awful he was in 2005 but I got this one from RedsZone and it floord me.

This is how Milton fared vs the different slots in the lineup i.e did he just get raked by the #3 and #4 hitters etc.

The Eric Milton chart, per slot in the lineup!
 
               AVG   OBP   SLG    OPS     Comment 
 
Batting #1    .347  .415  .484   .899     Terrible
Batting #2    .289  .324  .443   .767     Well below average
Batting #3    .298  .337  .723  1.060     Words cannot describe
Batting #4    .351  .384  .691  1.075     Words cannot describe
Batting #5    .276  .340  .471   .811     Terrible
Batting #6    .322  .351  .517   .868     Terrible
Batting #7    .337  .391  .771  1.162     Words cannot describe
Batting #8    .293  .360  .453   .814     Terrible
Batting #9    .181  .179  .278   .457     Who knew?!
 
For reference, the average NL OPS was ~ .744 in 2005

Its no exaggeration to say the only guy he could consistently retire was the opposing pitchers slot. UN[censored]INGBELIEVIBLE.

[jlb1705]

Pitching to contact was the dumbest thing I've ever heard

I don't agree that it's totally dumb. It's only mostly dumb. That's certainly a dumb name for it, and the idea works better with better pitchers. Basically, they should think of it as - don't walk ten guys a game - throw some [censored]ing strikes and let the guys behind you do their job.

You're right though. Pitching to contact doesn't work when you play baseball in a shoebox.

[crazybuckfan40]

Originally Posted by jlb1705

I don't agree that it's totally dumb. It's only mostly dumb. That's certainly a dumb name for it, and the idea works better with better pitchers. Basically, they should think of it as - don't walk ten guys a game - throw some [censored]ing strikes and let the guys behind you do their job.

You're right though. Pitching to contact doesn't work when you play baseball in a shoebox.

Well b4 the pitching to contact came about they were walking guys as much as they were giving up Homers.

[Jaxbuck]

Originally Posted by jlb1705

I don't agree that it's totally dumb. It's only mostly dumb. That's certainly a dumb name for it, and the idea works better with better pitchers. Basically, they should think of it as - don't walk ten guys a game - throw some [censored]ing strikes and let the guys behind you do their job.

You're right though. Pitching to contact doesn't work when you play baseball in a shoebox.

GAB isn't their problem, its the useless pieces of flesh hanging from their shoulders.

If you have Maddux control or a heavy sinker, fine, pitch to contact and get a lot of outs on fewer pitches. Problem is none of the Reds pitchers have either of those.

They end up trying to get ground outs with 80 mph slop on the edge, it ends up down the middle and belt high and 400 some odd ft later some fan's life is in danger.

The Reds need pitchers with some honest to god real major league stuff. Not walking guys is a given, missing bats is next.

[crazybuckfan40]

Originally Posted by Jaxbuck

GAB isn't their problem, its the useless pieces of flesh hanging from their shoulders.

If you have Maddux control or a heavy sinker, fine, pitch to contact and get a lot of outs on fewer pitches. Problem is none of the Reds pitchers have either of those.

They end up trying to get ground outs with 80 mph slop on the edge, it ends up down the middle and belt high and 400 some odd ft later some fan's life is in danger.

The Reds need pitchers with some honest to god real major league stuff. Not walking guys is a given, missing bats is next.

Yeah I agree with this, b/c our homefield should help us out more considering we have the flyball hitters and all the power hitters. Other teams are able to come in a shut us down b/c they have something that resembles pitching on their staff.

If we would get above avg. pitching we would be sitting in a nice spot to make the playoffs, b/c we have a good O.

[Jaxbuck]

Well we can all relax and order our WS tickets in advance. The Reds just signed Rick F White. He of the 10 year career 4.24 ERA and 1.40 WHIP if you don't know who he is(and you probably shouldn't).


Yet ANOTHER 37 year old [censored] all journyman pitcher. Add in Womack, Aurillia and Williams. This teams need to stockpile mediocre (at best) players is just [censored]ing astounding.

If this is the prelim for a trade of Mercker or Weathers or any other reliever then I'll reconsider but as of now we need another stiff in the bullpen like Custer needed more Indians.

[Bucktastic]

Agreed. Rick White??? WTF??? Can we get a REAL GM hired anytime here???