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View Poll Results: Who is the best OVERALL baseball player ever?
Babe Ruth 27 60.00%
"Shoeless" Joe Jackson 1 2.22%
Pete Rose 7 15.56%
Ted Williams 1 2.22%
Other-----Please explain your selection 9 20.00%
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Well, beside Cory Snyder, I'd agree with The Babe. The numbers he was putting up were unreal compared to the competition. He would have been a HoF'er even if he had never picked up a bat because he was that good of a pitcher.
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I am honestly surprised that this is even up for debate.

It's Babe Ruth and then everybody else.
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Ruth hit more home runs in certain seasons than whole teams!

That's like a guy these days hitting over 100 HR's in a season!

I was unable to find the stats on what team hit the least amount of homeruns last season to use as a comparison.
Kansas City hit the fewest HRs last season, with 124.
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Kansas City hit the fewest HRs last season, with 124.
So it's like Babe Ruth hitting 130 homers in a season.
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Kansas City hit the fewest HRs last season, with 124.


Thanks a ton. Searching mlb.com was ridiculous. I couldn't even find a way to sort teams by their 2006 stats.
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Come on. He is the definition of a "ball player" He played everywhere and at a high level. I am not going to argue about the #1 thing, but your statement is absurd.
Absurd to not have Pete Rose in the top 10? I don't think so.

Note - not necessarily in order

Ruth
Williams
Cobb
Gehrig
Mays
Aaron
Foxx
Hornsby
Musial
Bonds

I would also have Mantle and Dimaggio ahead of Rose, and probably a few more guys, but I won't name any more, since I don't want to be nitpicked on close calls, or debate guys like Joe Jackson and Josh Gibson.

And I loved watching Pete play - I think he belongs in the HOF, just not in the top-10 of all time list.
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Rose is my favorite player of all-time but his longevity gave him those gawdy numbers, not overwhelming talent.

The guy outworked every guy in the majors.
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I am honestly surprised that this is even up for debate.

It's Babe Ruth and then everybody else.
I don't know how you think it's so obviously the Babe when he couldn't do anything when it comes to defense. My vote goes to Ty Cobb.
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I don't know how you think it's so obviously the Babe when he couldn't do anything when it comes to defense. My vote goes to Ty Cobb.

Imagine Greg Maddux but hitting 130 home runs a year.

That was Babe Ruth.

Here's a link to his pitching and hitting stats.

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/historical/...layerID=121578
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Imagine Greg Maddux but hitting 130 home runs a year.

That was Babe Ruth.

Here's a link to his pitching and hitting stats.

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/historical/...layerID=121578
You'll notice by looking at those stats that he stopped pitching once he became a big-time hitter. So, you can't say that he's like Maddux and also hits 130 homeruns a year b/c he never did both at the same time. Which brings us back to my original point: he was a terrible fielder.
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You'll notice that he stopped pitching once he became a big-time hitter. So, you can't say that he's like Maddux and also hits 130 homeruns a year. Which brings us back to my original point: he was a terrible fielder.

Not at the same time.

Imagine Maddux going from dominate pitcher of his day and then becoming the greatest power hitter of all-time.

Again, this guy hit more home runs himself than some teams and this was while playing in gargantuan stadiums.

Not wiffle fields like those of today.
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he was a terrible fielder.
Ruth had a .968 fielding percentage while Mays had a .981.

Was Mays a better fielder, yes. But far better, not so much.

Besides, Ruth was a MUCH better pitcher than Mays.

Ted Williams had a .974 as an outfielder as well.

Not a lot of disparity in regards to fielding.



BTW, I love these kind of baseball debates.
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Come on, Thump, you should know that fielding percentage doesn't translate as an accurate comparison between two players such as Ruth and Mays who do not play the same position. IMO, suggesting that Mays was not a far better fielder than Ruth is ridiculous.
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Come on, Thump, you should know that fielding percentage doesn't translate as an accurate comparison between two players such as Ruth and Mays who do not play the same position.

We're comparing outfielders.

The best way to compare is stats.
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We're comparing outfielders.

The best way to compare is stats.
Ruth didn't play center. Comparing left or right to center is as ridiculous as comparing second base to center IMO.
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