Curt Schilling: lesson in stupidity

[BuckeyeNation27]

way to continue to be a dickhead sloops.

no question you bring nathan in to START the inning based on the availble "talent"....but after you walk 2 batters on 8 pitches....[censored]ing bring in the god damn pitching coach for all i care.

dip[censored].

[tibor75]

Originally Posted by JonathanXC

Schill is hurt...Pedro needs to step up tomorrow or this series is over.

And now the excuses begin....

[Sloopy45]

BN: "way to continue to be a dickhead sloops."

First off, I'm not being a dickhead. Its a spirited disagreement, and I don't mean to get personal. Don't take it as such.

"no question you bring nathan in to START the inning based on the availble "talent"....but after you walk 2 batters on 8 pitches....[censored]ing bring in the god damn pitching coach for all i care."

That's fine. But you do realize, that with a tired Nathan or the pitching coach (as you say), THEY'RE LOSING THE GAME ANYWAY!! You want to barbeque Gardenhire for being stuck between a rock and a hard place. It was six in one hand, half a dozen in the other.

The very NEXT game, your three boys in the bullpen did this:
Romero: 2/3 IP, 0 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 9.00 ERA
Crain: 1/3 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0.00 ERA
Mulholland: 3 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 1 HR, 3.00 ERA

These are MOP-UP guys. You're depending on lefty mop up guys to get Jeter, A-Rod, and Sheffield out?? If that's what you're hanging your hat on, good luck. I said before the Inning, and I'll stick to it: leave Nathan in. He's tired, and he's probably gonna lose the game, but its the best option you have.

[OSUsushichic]

Damn that was close.

Go Pedro!

[Thump]

Who do you like Tibor?


You a Reds fan?

the only thing i will add is this....nathan clearly wasnt going to save the game after his control went the way of rick ankiel....crain is the twins rising star in their bullpen....i was shouting at the tv...bring crain in....

either way the twins would have lost....thats just what the yankees do....

[BuckeyeNation27]

First off, I'm not being a dickhead. Its a spirited disagreement, and I don't mean to get personal. Don't take it as such.

seemed like it....sorry i suppose.

That's fine. But you do realize, that with a tired Nathan or the pitching coach (as you say), THEY'RE LOSING THE GAME ANYWAY!! You want to barbeque Gardenhire for being stuck between a rock and a hard place. It was six in one hand, half a dozen in the other.

right...because nobody can get the yankees out. they all bat 1.000

The very NEXT game, your three boys in the bullpen did this:
Romero: 2/3 IP, 0 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 9.00 ERA
Crain: 1/3 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0.00 ERA
Mulholland: 3 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 1 HR, 3.00 ERA

first, they arent 'my boys'. but who gives a [censored]? different day, different circumstances.

These are MOP-UP guys. You're depending on lefty mop up guys to get Jeter, A-Rod, and Sheffield out?? If that's what you're hanging your hat on, good luck. I said before the Inning, and I'll stick to it: leave Nathan in. He's tired, and he's probably gonna lose the game, but its the best option you have.

surprisingly, jeter arod and sheffield have made outs before. i know, its hard to believe....but they have made outs in the past. seriously....you can even look it up.

[Sloopy45]

BN: "right...because nobody can get the yankees out. they all bat 1.000"

Dude, its not Yankee bias. I'm not bringing in a mop-up lefty to face Pujols/Rolen/Edmonds, Scrub/Bonds/Scrub, Ramirez/Ortiz, etc. etc. etc. in a huge spot in extra innings. Romero is awful!! He was slumping going into the game at that. Guys like that get punished by star hitters: I can't bring him in in a lefty/righty situation, on the road, in a big spot. I just can't do it. What makes matters worse in this situation is that all three of the Yankee stars in the heart of the order that he'd have to face are RIGHT-HANDED hitters!!!

Nathan's had an outstanding year, he's throws real hard and has a heavy slider. If I'm going into the Inning, or even facing A-Rod to start, I'm rolling the dice with a tired Nathan. He's my best chance to win. Period.

Look, any way you wanna slice it, don't take it from me, take it from Di (who hates the Yankees): "either way the twins would have lost."

Who cares what the move was if the end result is exactly the same???

"but who gives a [censored]? different day, different circumstances."

So they get bombed in a mop-up game (where their performance means nothing), in the Metrodome, but you're going to depend on them to get critical outs in Extra Innings against a raucous crowd, the heart of the order, in a bad match-up (for them) in Yankee Stadium? Ok, if you say so.

Di: "crain is the twins rising star in their bullpen....i was shouting at the tv...bring crain in...."

Crain is a great prospect, throws hard, and looks to be a good one someday. But I can't bring a 20 year old who was in Triple A East Bumble[censored] a month ago into that spot. I just can't do it, sorry.

[Brutus1]

This is going to be a great post-season. First, the Sox will gag AGAIN, and then the Yanks may lose in the W.S. It's not as easy to hate the Yanks as it used to be. Torre, Jeter, Rivera and Bernie are just too nice to root against.

As long as the Red Sox lose, I'll be satisfied. You know it will kill Herbie Gammons if they get close and lose again.

[Sloopy45]

Brutus1: "First, the Sox will gag AGAIN, and then the Yanks may lose in the W.S."

I don't want to make this seem like I'm putting the cart before the horse, because I'm not, but the Yankees-Cardinals would be a great, great WS. The two best franchises in baseball history, the most Championships, tons of Hall of Famers, super-stars up and down the line-up, and a lot of past WS match-ups:

1926 WS: Cardinals (4-3) over Yankees
1928 WS: Yankees (4-0) over Cardinals
1942 WS: Cardinals (4-1) over Yankees
1943 WS: Yankees (4-1) over Cardinals
1964 WS: Cardinals (4-3) over Yankees

As you can see, St. Louis has beaten the Yanks (3-2) in the all-time Series match-up.

[BuckeyeNation27]

Who cares what the move was if the end result is exactly the same??

if this is the crux of your argument.....thats not very good.

[OilerBuck]

Originally Posted by Brutus1

It's not as easy to hate the Yanks as it used to be. Torre, Jeter, Rivera and Bernie are just too nice to root against.

It's easy for me. They've destroyed the sport of baseball. Football is America's new pastime because there is parity and anyone's team can be good regardless of payroll. Baseball is segregation between the haves and the have nots. Any self respecting fan of a small market team (I'm a Reds fan) should hate the Yankees for what they have done to a once beautiful game. This is like playing baseball in the back yard with the neighborhood kids and they stack the team so they can blow you out every game.

I can't even express how much I hate the Yankees. I realize Boston has adopted much of the same philosophy of big spending as the Yankees, but that has just been to stay competitive. Besides, I view Boston as being the ultimate anti-Yankees.

I'm probably going to get dinged for this...but I can't view the Yankees as nice. They are smug, arrogant, money-grubbing pricks.

GO PEDRO! GO SOX!

[Sloopy45]

BN: "if this is the crux of your argument.....thats not very good."

Why not? Your premise is that the Twins would've won if they go to the 'Pen and Gardenhire blew the game. That's not the case.

Dude, the very NEXT GAME, Romero relieved Silva, and he walked the first batter he faced (Olerud), Cairo sacrificed, Lofton struck-out, and then Crain came in:

Crain gave up a single to Jeter (scoring both runs) his first batter, and then Mulholland gave up a homer to Matsui the next Inning. They weren't even getting lefties out!!

have to agree with sloops here.....a cardinals v. yankees series would be one of the greatest matchups in the past half century of world series baseball....for the first time since 1990 i would be glued to every single pitch....

[Sloopy45]

OilerBuck: "They've destroyed the sport of baseball."

What a bunch of garbage. That beautiful pure sport you long for was the same way in the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, and 60's. The Yankees won all the time, and there was no free agency, $200 million payrolls, haves & have-nots, or any of this b.s. then. What was wrong with baseball when the Yanks won 20 Championships before free agency. Hmmmm? I'm waiting on that. The bottom line is, jealousy.

I don't hear any crying when the Mets, Dodgers, Red Sox, and Cubs throw $100 million payrolls around and don't win [censored]. But when the Yankees do it AND win, its a federal case.

"Any self respecting fan of a small market team (I'm a Reds fan) should hate the Yankees for what they have done to a once beautiful game."

Let me premise this by saying, I like the Reds. I have a lot of friends who're Reds fans, I've been to Riverfront, and who can't love Rose, Bench, Morgan, and the Big Red Machine. HOWEVER! The Yankees haven't "ruined" [censored]. The Yankees make more money than the other teams. A lot more. Its a fact. There's no revenue sharing in baseball (neither the owners OR the Player's Union would allow it), so George has 2 options: he's taking in $100 million more than anyone else. He can a.) spend it on his team, or b.) pocket the money. What's more admirable in your eyes: George spending the money he takes in on his team, or just pocketing the money, taking $100 million home with him, and keeping his payroll low so other teams can compete. Its ridiculous.

Before the money became astronomical, all these crying small-market teams threw away money like it was water: the KC Royals signed Mark Davis, Storm Davis, David Cone, etc. to HUGE deals at the time. The A's were the first team to break the $5 million barrier with Jose Canseco. The Cardinals signed journeyman Bryn Smith to a $2.5 million deal back in the day (he was the 3rd highest paid pitcher at the time). The fact is, they're ALL guilty of "ruining baseball," and they were stupid enough to keep paying more, more more money, until they priced themselves right out of the market and into George's hands.

And they're still doing it: the Blue Jays sign Clemens and realize they can't afford him two years later, so they ship him to the only team that can take his contract. How bout A-Rod? Ditto. David Cone? Same situation. George didn't sign any of those guys to ridiculous contracts. Someone else did. Go blame them.

"This is like playing baseball in the back yard with the neighborhood kids and they stack the team so they can blow you out every game."

Huh? Relax, son. The Angels had a $50 million payroll when they beat the Yankees and won the WS. Or how bout the Marlins? Instead of crying about it and making excuses, why doesn't your team adopt the same philosiphy and GO BEAT THE YANKEES! Money is not the be-all, end-all in baseball. Correct baseball decisions are. Josh Beckett, Miguel Cabrera, K-Rod, etc. aren't big contract guys. Last time I checked, your team could've signed those guys (except for Beckett) as undrafted free agents and didn't.

You want a stat? To this point, no team has won the WS with a player who has a $100 million + contract. Not a single one. Instead of using money as a crutch, crying, and Playa-hating, why don't you put the blame where it really belongs: the inadequacies of YOUR team. The Reds passed Derek Jeter down in the Amateur Draft (the Reds picked # 5 & the Yanks drafted him # 6): big mistake there. No one twisted the Reds' arm and made them sign a washed up and oft-injured CF to a $100 million deal that would kill all their payroll flexibility. You got no excuse for the Reds not being the Twins, A's, Indians, Expos, Padres, Giants, Marlins, or even the D-Rays (who're LOADED with talent). The bottom line is, your team hasn't made the right moves, you need an excuse, so you dump it in George's lap.

And keep in mind, I love the Reds, Cincinnati, the fans, and hate criticizing them.

"I realize Boston has adopted much of the same philosophy of big spending as the Yankees, but that has just been to stay competitive."

Huh?? The Red Sox entire team is BOUGHT!! ManRam, Ortiz, Pedro, Schilling, Foulke, AND Damon were all acquired by salary dumps and high-priced free agency. There's not one star on that team that was brought up through the Boston farm system.

You complain about all this stuff, but the bottom line is, the Yankees do things the right way: Jeter, Posada, Pettite, Mariano, Soriano, Bernie Williams, Jim Leyrtiz, Ramiro Mendosa, Ted Lilly, Mike Lowell, Yhancy Brazoban, Jake Westbrook, Nick Johnson, Eric Milton, Christian Guzman, and "your boy" WILLY MO-PENA ARE ALL PRODUCTS OF THE YANKEE FARM SYSTEM!! None of those guys are "bought." Hate to break it to ya. And that's why the Yankees win.

Enough with the jealousy, please.