Alex Rodriguez tested positive for roids' in 2003

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Originally Posted by Buckeyeskickbuttocks

I'm not sure I understand.... I mean.... I had my idols too, but I really don't give a pint of [censored] if they've been banned from baseball for betting on it (Pete Rose) or whether they have retired gracefully (Nolan Ryan). I feel no different regarding either despite their different legacies.

I don't know... like who you like... dislike who you dislike (like my extreme and irrational hatred of Sammy [censored]ing Sosa... [censored] that guy).... But I don't know that any sort of "life re-evaluation" or whatever is appropriate.
(Not saying that's what you're doing, just sayin)

Bonds once said, and correctly, Roids doesn't help hand eye coordination.... Maybe ARod got a couple extra feet on a few balls... So, take all his HRs that just cleared the fence and pretend they were long outs or doubles... who [censored]ing cares? Pretend he didn't cheat at all, but played in Colorado...

I'm just really disappointed, that's all. No life re-evaluation going on here.

[BB73]

Originally Posted by Buckeyeskickbuttocks

Anyone who played baseball in 2003 is a candidate for roids in mine.

BKB is excluding Sammy Sosa in this statement. He loves that guy so much he wants to use his tongue to apply Barry Bonds's cream to Sosa's nuts, in the hopes that it'll help Sammy's comeback this year.

[BuckeyeMike80]

Originally Posted by Buckeyeskickbuttocks

I'm not sure I understand.... I mean.... I had my idols too, but I really don't give a pint of [censored] if they've been banned from baseball for betting on it (Pete Rose) or whether they have retired gracefully (Nolan Ryan). I feel no different regarding either despite their different legacies.

I don't know... like who you like... dislike who you dislike (like my extreme and irrational hatred of Sammy [censored]ing Sosa... [censored] that guy).... But I don't know that any sort of "life re-evaluation" or whatever is appropriate.
(Not saying that's what you're doing, just sayin)

Bonds once said, and correctly, Roids doesn't help hand eye coordination.... Maybe ARod got a couple extra feet on a few balls... So, take all his HRs that just cleared the fence and pretend they were long outs or doubles... who [censored]ing cares? Pretend he didn't cheat at all, but played in Colorado...

The sad part is guys like Bonds and A-Rod didn't need the roids to be great. Bonds was already the first 500-500 guy without the roids. He was going to probably top 700 homers and 600 steals (the steals went down with his massive weight gain due to the HGH and other stuff).

A-Rod was going to probably be one of the top 5 players ever, a consistent threat to Hank Aaron's records AND a guy who could have gone 500-500 himself. Add to that he was a very good fielder and had the ability to change the game by his very presence. But instead he's now tainted his entire career for a slight edge (I say slight because he was already a great player). Stupid decision.

We'll see if he's learned to play with distractions because this season is going to be full of them.

[BUCKYLE]

Originally Posted by Buckeyeskickbuttocks

I'm not sure I understand.... I mean.... I had my idols too, but I really don't give a pint of [censored] if they've been banned from baseball for betting on it (Pete Rose) or whether they have retired gracefully (Nolan Ryan). I feel no different regarding either despite their different legacies.

I don't know... like who you like... dislike who you dislike (like my extreme and irrational hatred of Sammy [censored]ing Sosa... [censored] that guy).... But I don't know that any sort of "life re-evaluation" or whatever is appropriate.
(Not saying that's what you're doing, just sayin)

Bonds once said, and correctly, Roids doesn't help hand eye coordination.... Maybe ARod got a couple extra feet on a few balls... So, take all his HRs that just cleared the fence and pretend they were long outs or doubles... who [censored]ing cares? Pretend he didn't cheat at all, but played in Colorado...

Then why taint your legacy? I call bull[censored]. If roids didn't help with SOMETHING, why the [censored] would a skinny little bitch that was consistently a 40-40 guy take roids? Must've been to make his presence felt in the clubhouse.

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Originally Posted by BB73

BKB is excluding Sammy Sosa in this statement. He loves that guy so much he wants to use his tongue to apply Barry Bonds's cream to Sosa's nuts, in the hopes that it'll help Sammy's comeback this year.

You are a terrible person. BB73.... you know why.

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeMike80

The sad part is guys like Bonds and A-Rod didn't need the roids to be great. Bonds was already the first 500-500 guy without the roids. He was going to probably top 700 homers and 600 steals (the steals went down with his massive weight gain due to the HGH and other stuff).

A-Rod was going to probably be one of the top 5 players ever, a consistent threat to Hank Aaron's records AND a guy who could have gone 500-500 himself. Add to that he was a very good fielder and had the ability to change the game by his very presence. But instead he's now tainted his entire career for a slight edge (I say slight because he was already a great player). Stupid decision.

We'll see if he's learned to play with distractions because this season is going to be full of them.

Agree

Originally Posted by BUCKYLE

Then why taint your legacy? I call bull[censored]. If roids didn't help with SOMETHING, why the [censored] would a skinny little bitch that was consistently a 40-40 guy take roids? Must've been to make his presence felt in the clubhouse.

It did help with something... just not hand eye coordination....

[billmac91]

It's been proven Roids/HGH can make your bat quicker. Major advantage to a hitter, especially for a guy with already amazing hand-eye coordination.

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Originally Posted by billmac91

It's been proven Roids/HGH can make your bat quicker. Major advantage to a hitter, especially for a guy with already amazing hand-eye coordination.

It's also been shown that one can become too big to swing a bat properly (Ruben Sierra)

[Jaxbuck]

Originally Posted by Buckeyeskickbuttocks

Bonds once said, and correctly, Roids doesn't help hand eye coordination.... Maybe ARod got a couple extra feet on a few balls... So, take all his HRs that just cleared the fence and pretend they were long outs or doubles... who [censored]ing cares? Pretend he didn't cheat at all, but played in Colorado...

No [censored], this is the easiest cop out I hear about steroids in baseball. It doesn't increase hand eye coordination, thanks for the insight professor Bonds.

What it does increase is muscle mass, strength and recovery time. In other words it allows a person who already posses the god given hand eye coordination needed to be a MLB hitter more strength, bat speed and recouperative powers to sustain the grind of a 162 game season.

The reason this is different than scuffing baseballs or corking bats imo is that the old timers who set some of the most hallowed records in baseball didn't have this advantage. They were 100% most definitly not on the juice because it had not been invented yet.

Thats my reason for outrage personally. I feel a modern player who used performance enhancing drugs to break a record set by a guy like Roger Maris or Hank Aaron cheated. Most of us by nature hate cheating and lying which is why people get so [censored]ed off about this one imo.

Comparing steroids to spitballs is like saying we should have the same punishment for jaywalking as murder. There are systems in place to police doctoring the ball or corking bats(which by the way has been proven to reduce distance not augment it). Steroids were essentially promoted by MLB to get people excited about a game they were so [censored]ed off at after the last strike. They affect the game exponentially more than a few pitchers being good spitballers. It's apples and oranges.

[billmac91]

Originally Posted by Jaxbuck

No [censored], this is the easiest cop out I hear about steroids in baseball. It doesn't increase hand eye coordination, thanks for the insight professor Bonds.

What it does increase is muscle mass, strength and recovery time. In other words it allows a person who already posses the god given hand eye coordination needed to be a MLB hitter more strength, bat speed and recouperative powers to sustain the grind of a 162 game season.

The reason this is different than scuffing baseballs or corking bats imo is that the old timers who set some of the most hallowed records in baseball didn't have this advantage. They were 100% most definitly not on the juice because it had not been invented yet.

Thats my reason for outrage personally. I feel a modern player who used performance enhancing drugs to break a record set by a guy like Roger Maris or Hank Aaron cheated. Most of us by nature hate cheating and lying which is why people get so [censored]ed off about this one imo.

Comparing steroids to spitballs is like saying we should have the same punishment for jaywalking as murder. There are systems in place to police doctoring the ball or corking bats(which by the way has been proven to reduce distance not augment it). Steroids were essentially promoted by MLB to get people excited about a game they were so [censored]ed off at after the last strike. They affect the game exponentially more than a few pitchers being good spitballers. It's apples and oranges.

this sums up my feelings as well.....there is a reason the average life of a baseball is about 3 or 4 pitches. Steroids have cheapened the game beyond beyond measure.

This entire era is a huge question mark, and historic records are now in limbo. Not a life and death issue at the end of the day, but it gives the entire sport a major black eye. Come to find out higher-ups in MLB were trying to protect steroid users, and its borderline WWF to me.

[Steve19]

I stopped watching baseball years ago because of all this. It just killed the game for me.

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Originally Posted by Jaxbuck

No [censored], this is the easiest cop out I hear about steroids in baseball. It doesn't increase hand eye coordination, thanks for the insight professor Bonds.

What it does increase is muscle mass, strength and recovery time. In other words it allows a person who already posses the god given hand eye coordination needed to be a MLB hitter more strength, bat speed and recouperative powers to sustain the grind of a 162 game season.

The reason this is different than scuffing baseballs or corking bats imo is that the old timers who set some of the most hallowed records in baseball didn't have this advantage. They were 100% most definitly not on the juice because it had not been invented yet.

Thats my reason for outrage personally. I feel a modern player who used performance enhancing drugs to break a record set by a guy like Roger Maris or Hank Aaron cheated. Most of us by nature hate cheating and lying which is why people get so [censored]ed off about this one imo.

Comparing steroids to spitballs is like saying we should have the same punishment for jaywalking as murder. There are systems in place to police doctoring the ball or corking bats(which by the way has been proven to reduce distance not augment it). Steroids were essentially promoted by MLB to get people excited about a game they were so [censored]ed off at after the last strike. They affect the game exponentially more than a few pitchers being good spitballers. It's apples and oranges.

Great points, Jax... I agree with you that Baseball is to blame for promoting the use more than individual players are (That's not to say players are "just following orders" here, they do bear culpability for their own actions). That said, considering the rampant use - as between position players and pitchers - the playing field, though not level across eras, was level with respect to itself. that is to say - a juiced Canseco at bat against a juiced Clemens is essentially a wash.

Not that Walter Johnson and Babe Ruth are on equal footing.

[CentralMOBuck]

I was watching Mike and Mike this morning and they brought up a very good point. Why would Alex Rodriguez admit to Katie Couric that he used steroids in that interview? Of course he knew that he tested positive, but he was told by the Union and MLB that the test results would never be leaked to the public.

I also agree with what Curt Shilling has said.
"I'd be all for the 104 positives being named, and the game moving on if that is at all possible." "In my opinion, if you don't do that, then the other 600-700 players are going to be guilty by association, forever," he wrote. "It appears that not only was it 104, but three of the greatest of our, or any, generation appear to be on top of this list(Bonds, Clemens & A-Rod)."

[Bucklion]

Well (assuming he isn't on the list, which I really doubt he is) the Fred McGriff candidacy for the HOF just got more interesting...

Who is really surprised? I don't care about Gay-Roid, I like BKB's sentiment about the fantasy baseball myself. I just hope we don't have 11-14 year old kids who think if they start popping HGH and steroids that they're destined to go from average player to making A-Rod's money. It is extremely dangerous for kids to take them, and that's where the trickle down effect can be deadly. So, if anything, I never again want to hear any of these Roidamaniacs say they "care about the kids", because their examples are dangerous.

[Brutus1]

Originally Posted by Buckeyeskickbuttocks

FWIW - I'm not endorsing cheating or use of steroids... I just don't see the big deal. Maybe if A-Rod was a family member I'd care more... as it is, he's just a keeper on my fantasy roster. If he want's to shrivel up his nuts so I get a couple more HRs this year, fine be me.

Same here. If everyone (HOF voters) is so outraged over the bloated offensive numbers during the steroid era, then why are they not equally outraged over the pitching numbers of the dead ball era ? Both era's produced bloated numbers for one reason or another.

Baseball has always been about cheating or doing what ever necessary to get an edge. Like someone said earlier, teams change dimensions of their outfield to fit their strengths. Teams try to steal signs evey game.

Your example of Gaylord Perry was perfect. He's in the HOF and everyone knows he cheated as much as possible.

Baseball is [censored]ed up. It's only purpose is to kill time waiting for football season.