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Old 01-22-2007, 09:59 AM
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These guys aren't working for the government.
What does that have to do with anything? If anything that should be all the more reason why an off-limits list is reasonable. The NBA is a private organization and as such can set rules of membership and employment, so long as they don't run foul of discrimination laws and such.
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Old 01-22-2007, 10:03 AM
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What does that have to do with anything? If anything that should be all the more reason why an off-limits list is reasonable. The NBA is a private organization and as such can set rules of membership and employment, so long as they don't run foul of discrimination laws and such.
People in the Military are employees of the people of the United States, we pay for their salaries.

So a private company can tell you where you can go in your off hours of work?
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Old 01-22-2007, 10:12 AM
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People in the Military are employees of the people of the United States, we pay for their salaries.

So a private company can tell you where you can go in your off hours of work?
Why shouldn't they, if they want to as a condition of employment? If you're worried that a soldier or sailor getting hurt at an off-limits bar is a waste of taxpayer money, then why should it be any different that an employer doesn't want its employees getting hurt and wasting its money too? Especially when said employee is making millions of dollars, which he'd still be making - yet producing nothing - if recovering from a gunshot wound received at a club.
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Old 01-22-2007, 10:24 AM
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Why shouldn't they, if they want to as a condition of employment? If you're worried that a soldier or sailor getting hurt at an off-limits bar is a waste of taxpayer money, then why should it be any different that an employer doesn't want its employees getting hurt and wasting its money too? Especially when said employee is making millions of dollars, which he'd still be making - yet producing nothing - if recovering from a gunshot wound received at a club.
You think something like that would stand up in court?

B/c I honestly don't know if there is any legal precedent for that.
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Why shouldn't they, if they want to as a condition of employment? If you're worried that a soldier or sailor getting hurt at an off-limits bar is a waste of taxpayer money, then why should it be any different that an employer doesn't want its employees getting hurt and wasting its money too? Especially when said employee is making millions of dollars, which he'd still be making - yet producing nothing - if recovering from a gunshot wound received at a club.

Employers, imo, have far too much leeway as it is regarding off the clock behavior of its current or prospective employee.
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Old 01-22-2007, 10:49 AM
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To be honest, the policy is as much about protecting the players from unsavory locals as it is stopping the players from doing something stupid. At a lot of these spots, local thugs resent national celebs showing up and stealing their thunder/attention from ho's,etc., leading to serious results. Two good examples are Paul Pierce's stabbing at a club in Boston that was controlled by a local gang, and the shootout in Cincinnati between the rapper TI's entourage and some local thugs, that began at a local club in Roselawn.
NBA league security is basically the league's attempt to save the dumbass players from themselves-which is not a bad idea,IMO.
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Old 01-22-2007, 11:02 AM
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Paul Pierce got stabbed. Stephen Jackson got hit with a car and fired shots into the air. The Gold Club of Atlanta scandal involving dancer sex with guys like Oakley, Rodman, Ewing...etc...NBA players and clubs have brought lots of bad press to the league. Say what you want about Stern...but he knows that image is everything...and he's always got ears to the ground.

Besides, there are always stipulations in athletes' contracts about what they can and can't do "off-hours." Riding ATV's and snowmobiles, for example, are often forbidden. Don't know how enforceable this move is, though, in terms of the league being able to fine someone. I suppose it all comes down to what the league says and how the players' union responds. If the union ratifies such a measure, don't know that there is any legal recourse.
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Old 01-22-2007, 11:06 AM
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Hmmmmm......maybe what makes the locale so "unsavory" is the presence of said professional athletes.
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Say what you want about Stern...but he knows that image is everything...and he's always got ears to the ground.
And what is the real reason he's trying to change that image?
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I'm still confused why the NFL doesn't have the same image problem.
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And what is the real reason he's trying to change that image?
Change that image? Stern has been around since the early 80's. He's not trying to "change" anything...he has been notorious for running the league this way ever since he came into the league (remember discussion of whether the original Air Jordans were appropriate attire for game action). The league of the late 70's had an image, whether fair or not, of being a coked-out display of malcontents. He came in to clean that up...and that's always been his concern.
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Change that image? Stern has been around since the early 80's. He's not trying to "change" anything...
He's not trying to homogenize the urban feel of the nba w/ the dress code?
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I'm still confused why the NFL doesn't have the same image problem.
Excellent question.
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This Policy seems a little overboard to me, these players are adults, instead of making rules saying where they can/can't go they need to make the punishment for off the court stupidity be a lot harsher.
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The NBA is more driven by player personalities than the NFL. The NFL has TO and Chad Johnson who aren't even the best players.
THe NBA - Wade, Shaq, AI, etc. etc. are more well known than any other NFL player by far. Therefore, the image of the players is that much more important. Players lose their image ---> NBA goes downhill.

My mom barely follows pro sports and she knows and can recognize Karl Malone and Kobe Bryant. Could she recognize Peyton Manning? Doubt it.
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