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Could she recognize Peyton Manning? Doubt it.
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The NBA is more driven by player personalities than the NFL. The NFL has TO and Chad Johnson who aren't even the best players.
THe NBA - Wade, Shaq, AI, etc. etc. are more well known than any other NFL player by far. Therefore, the image of the players is that much more important. Players lose their image ---> NBA goes downhill.

My mom barely follows pro sports and she knows and can recognize Karl Malone and Kobe Bryant. Could she recognize Peyton Manning? Doubt it.
That doesn't seem to fit though. The best players aren't the source of the image problem. Lebron, Nash, Shaq, DWade, Nowitzki, Duncan are all guys of seemingly high character. It's psychos like Stephen Jackson that drag the image down.
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I never really thought about that Tibor but you have a point. When I was younger, I could have told you who Wilt Chamberlain was but not Joe Montana. I think the NBA is a lot more about the Individual, you have a star and he can carry you where the NFL is MUCH more about a team effort.
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That doesn't seem to fit though. The best players aren't the source of the image problem. Lebron, Nash, Shaq, DWade, Nowitzki, Duncan are all guys of seemingly high character. It's psychos like Stephen Jackson that drag the image down.
But for some reason, the Trail Blazers are more infamous than the Bengals. Don't get me wrong - the Bengals are certainly becoming a running joke. But it seems the media in general has focused more on the Portland arrests
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But for some reason, the Trail Blazers are more infamous than the Bengals. Don't get me wrong - the Bengals are certainly becoming a running joke. But it seems the media in general has focused more on the Portland arrests
I don't think that's necessarily true. The Bengals are getting plenty of well-deserved publicity for their consistent transgressions.

I think the distinction is that the criticism is limited to the Bengals' organization rather than the league as a whole. When the Blazers f'd up over a consistent period of time, somehow that was a reflection of the entire NBA, which is utterly absurd.
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My mom barely follows pro sports and she knows and can recognize Karl Malone and Kobe Bryant. Could she recognize Peyton Manning? Doubt it.
That's only because he wears disguises in some of his commercials.
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I never really thought about that Tibor but you have a point. When I was younger, I could have told you who Wilt Chamberlain was but not Joe Montana. I think the NBA is a lot more about the Individual, you have a star and he can carry you where the NFL is MUCH more about a team effort.
I would say that some of that has to do with football players always wearing helmets hiding their identity much more than a basketball player.
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I would say that some of that has to do with football players always wearing helmets hiding their identity much more than a basketball player.
True, and the fact that I live near LA which even when we did have 2 football teams the talks were always about basketball and the Lakers.
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It would be bull[censored] to tell an adult citizen of the U.S. that he can't go to a certain club, when any other adult can.
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It would be bull[censored] to tell an adult citizen of the U.S. that he can't go to a certain club, when any other adult can.
Again, the military already does this. And nobody seems to worry themselves about it. Thump did point out that it's taxpayer money on the line if a soldier or sailor is hurt at a club.....but still - it's not true that "any" other adult can, and it's already happening with a certain segment of the population. Somehow, it's OK to subject the military to that rule because of taxpayer money, but the guys who spend hundreds of millions of dollars on these NBAers can't also protect their investment?
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Again, the military already does this. And nobody seems to worry themselves about it. Thump did point out that it's taxpayer money on the line if a soldier or sailor is hurt at a club.....but still - it's not true that "any" other adult can, and it's already happening with a certain segment of the population. Somehow, it's OK to subject the military to that rule because of taxpayer money, but the guys who spend hundreds of millions of dollars on these NBAers can't also protect their investment?
If you put it in their contract, I'm ok with it. That would be an agreement between owner and player. This is a rule set by the league. I have a problem with that.
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Are these NBA players used to defend our freedom?

NBA players provide frivolous entertainment to a percentage of the nation who cares about the sport. The military is essential to the safety and freedom of the entire populace.
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If you put it in their contract, I'm ok with it. That would be an agreement between owner and player. This is a rule set by the league. I have a problem with that.
agreed.
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I really don't understand the ridiculous comparisons to the US military. The military is based on a completely different set of rules. You can be arrested if you fail to show up to work as a solider. Does this happen in real life if you're a banker?
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Unreal, I can hear the players now chant, "No Slavery, Get The Chains Off". NBA and the owners don't own the players. I think that it's great there doing research on what are the most problem spots to hang out at but to ban them from going there no. There adults, give them the information and let them make the decision for themselves.
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