Proposed NBA Age Limit - min 2 yrs

[BuckeyeMike80]

Originally Posted by cincibuck

Why, in a free market society, is it OK to tell someone capable of playing pro anything that he/she must wait and go to school for one/two/three/four years first?

To be followed by, how is a draft fair?

To be followed by, how does it benefit colleges to prostitute themselves by providing professional sports with a minor league system?

This is a lose - lose agreement all the way around and it's interesting that the agreement is made between three pimps, Brand, Stern, the players association and without input from the HS recruiting classes of 2010 and beyond.

And in a free market society, where is the rule that disallows certain employers from having such requirements?

[cincibuck]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

Doctor lawyer, accountant, skilled union trades, etc., even if you possess the skills to do it without passing some test or spending the time as an apprentice or student, they still make you do something education/test wise before you are allowed to do the job - even if you can to it earlier and even if it is an economic detriment to make you wait.

Now you're talking about licensed professions. Many of the "no Irish need apply" jobs are simply businesses throwing up barriers for reasons other than a person's ability to do the job.

With a 70% bankruptcy rate post NBA career, they should require a two year degree w/o liberal arts and focus on basic economics and business theory.

The bankruptcy case isn't going to be solved by 2 or 5 years of college. You're talking about life style and in this case, playing in the NBA ends up being like hitting the lottery; most winners end up losers.

[cincibuck]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeMike80

And in a free market society, where is the rule that disallows certain employers from having such requirements?

Supposedly competition. You're always free to do something against your own best interest. The Washington Redskins were the last team to hire a black athlete. Look up their record from 1946 through 1965.

[BuckeyeMike80]

Originally Posted by cincibuck

Supposedly competition. You're always free to do something against your own best interest. The Washington Redskins were the last team to hire a black athlete. Look up their record from 1946 through 1965.

Except when doing something against your own best interest is killing your product. In that case you do something to change the flow, which the NBA did.

Congress likely doesn't have a legal stand to make here.

The NBA is a private institution. They can hire whoever they want and can make (or prevent) their members to (from) pick(ing) from whatever pool of eligible candidates they want.

[BuckeyeMike80]

Originally Posted by cincibuck

Why, in a free market society, is it OK to tell someone capable of playing pro anything that he/she must wait and go to school for one/two/three/four years first?

To be followed by, how is a draft fair?

To be followed by, how does it benefit colleges to prostitute themselves by providing professional sports with a minor league system?

This is a lose - lose agreement all the way around and it's interesting that the agreement is made between three pimps, Brand, Stern, the players association and without input from the HS recruiting classes of 2010 and beyond.

How is it lose lose?

The NCAA (and its teams) increase the overall funding for their athletic departments. they generate interest in their respective school from having the increased exposure on TV.

THe NBA, NFL, and, to a lesser extent, NHL and MLB are able to pick from a pool of people who have given a performance so to speak of their skills for the next level of job. These individuals have been given 2 or 3 (or more) years to phyisically mature and (hopefully) MENTALLY mature as well. For every PacMan Jones, there is an Evan Turner. For every MoC, there is a LaDanian Tomlinson.

And the players get (if the proposal goes through), two years of on-the-job training for their prospective employer, two years of college courses and two years to mature.

Prove the negatives for me, because I won't. How ISN'T the draft fair?

[BuckeyeMike80]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

Doctor lawyer, accountant, skilled union trades, etc., even if you possess the skills to do it without passing some test or spending the time as an apprentice or student, they still make you do something education/test wise before you are allowed to do the job - even if you can to it earlier and even if it is an economic detriment to make you wait.

With a 70% bankruptcy rate post NBA career, they should require a two year degree w/o liberal arts and focus on basic economics and business theory.

What they should focus on is when to say no. No to the hangers-on, no to the biggest and best of whatever it is they want to buy, no to overspending and living pay check to pay check on a salary of millions per year.

[cincibuck]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeMike80

How is it lose lose?

The NCAA (and its teams) increase the overall funding for their athletic departments. they generate interest in their respective school from having the increased exposure on TV.

THe NBA, NFL, and, to a lesser extent, NHL and MLB are able to pick from a pool of people who have given a performance so to speak of their skills for the next level of job. These individuals have been given 2 or 3 (or more) years to phyisically mature and (hopefully) MENTALLY mature as well. For every PacMan Jones, there is an Evan Turner. For every MoC, there is a LaDanian Tomlinson.

And the players get (if the proposal goes through), two years of on-the-job training for their prospective employer, two years of college courses and two years to mature.

Prove the negatives for me, because I won't. How ISN'T the draft fair?

Everything you have stated is a restraint of free trade for the players, especially those not yet in the league. It may work for the benefit of those who own the business, TV networks and perhaps the players themselves, but it is still inheirently wrong.

How about you proving to me that Troy Smith is best served by having to remain with the Ravens. Or how about Eli Manning managing to manuver himself to NY at the expense of other players in the draft? Or how about Pittman being forced to sign with the Saints when there were clearly better places for him.

Lose - lose? The players lose their freedom to work where they want to work through artificial laws created soley to benefit to employer. You are forcing someone like LeBron to risk injury and be denied two years of income. The schools lose as they will continue to be used as a finishing school for athletes.

And lastly, having watched first hand how sports wrongly influenced the mission of the high school where I worked and coached, having seen first hand the manipulation of the justice and academic systems at OSU to keep key athletes out of trouble and elgible, having observed how academic standards are waived at prestigous universities such as Michigan to provide scholarships to those who would never be admitted based on their academic records I think it's fair to say that sports have caused schools to prostitute themselves.

[BuckeyeMike80]

Originally Posted by cincibuck

Everything you have stated is a restraint of free trade for the players, especially those not yet in the league. It may work for the benefit of those who own the business, TV networks and perhaps the players themselves, but it is still inheirently wrong.

How about you proving to me that Troy Smith is best served by having to remain with the Ravens. Or how about Eli Manning managing to manuver himself to NY at the expense of other players in the draft? Or how about Pittman being forced to sign with the Saints when there were clearly better places for him.

Lose - lose? The players lose their freedom to work where they want to work through artificial laws created soley to benefit to employer. You are forcing someone like LeBron to risk injury and be denied two years of income. The schools lose as they will continue to be used as a finishing school for athletes.

And lastly, having watched first hand how sports wrongly influenced the mission of the high school where I worked and coached, having seen first hand the manipulation of the justice and academic systems at OSU to keep key athletes out of trouble and elgible, having observed how academic standards are waived at prestigous universities such as Michigan to provide scholarships to those who would never be admitted based on their academic records I think it's fair to say that sports have caused schools to prostitute themselves.

Free trade of the player? They are free to go to Europe immediately after high school if they wish. No one is preventing that. There's no laws there, just a collective bargaining agreement which is legally binding. that's not a law.

Funny, if you are so bent out of shape by the colleges doing what they do to admit good athletes, you should stop watching them. either that or become a Ntre Ame fan

[LitlBuck]

Originally Posted by Gatorubet

With a 70% bankruptcy rate post NBA career, they should require a two year degree w/o liberal arts and focus on basic economics and business theory.

I really don't think that would help those guys by taking two years of general business/finance or whatever. They would still spend the money when they signed a professional contract. You would almost need to make them give their money to raise third-party person/certified financial planner who has no interest in them whatsoever and that is never going to happen.

[BB73]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeMike80

And in a free market society, where is the rule that disallows certain employers from having such requirements?

Can the NBA restrict employment based on race, religion, or ethnic origin?

They certainly can't. Their restriction is based purely on age - there's no requirement for the HS graduate to do anything other than turn 19 - he doesn't have to do anything in that year after HS besides get older.

To me, that's age discrimination, which shouldn't be allowed against anybody over 18 years old in this country. Like I said earlier, could the league force mandatory retirement at age 35 (or pick a number), based solely on age, if it was agreed to in the collective bargaining agreement? I don't believe that would be legal.

[BuckeyeMike80]

Originally Posted by BB73

Can the NBA restrict employment based on race, religion, or ethnic origin?

They certainly can't. Their restriction is based purely on age - there's no requirement for the HS graduate to do anything other than turn 19 - he doesn't have to do anything in that year after HS besides get older.

To me, that's age discrimination, which shouldn't be allowed against anybody over 18 years old in this country. Like I said earlier, could the league force mandatory retirement at age 35 (or pick a number), based solely on age, if it was agreed to in the collective bargaining agreement? I don't believe that would be legal.

The precedent was set out in the MoC case.

Any legal challenge will have to overcome that ruling.

Appeals court dents Clarett's NFL plans - FOX Sports on MSN

[BB73]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeMike80

The precedent was set out in the MoC case.

Any legal challenge will have to overcome that ruling.

Appeals court dents Clarett's NFL plans - FOX Sports on MSN

I'm aware of the precedent. I believe it's wrong, based on age discrimination.

I notice you didn't address my response to your comment about the 'rules' for employers.

[jimotis4heisman]

Originally Posted by cincibuck

Why, in a free market society, is it OK to tell someone capable of playing pro anything that he/she must wait and go to school for one/two/three/four years first?

To be followed by, how is a draft fair?

To be followed by, how does it benefit colleges to prostitute themselves by providing professional sports with a minor league system?

This is a lose - lose agreement all the way around and it's interesting that the agreement is made between three pimps, Brand, Stern, the players association and without input from the HS recruiting classes of 2010 and beyond.

good thing we dont have a free market economy. i think its time to nationalize the nba.
nationalized basketball association sounds good to me.
weve already got the unions, now we just need to whip up a fury against the immigrants and draw a big line of protectionism around the game. we can create an american three point line at 7 feet out and for foreigners and imports the three point line will be 52 feet out. well convert to using an ethanol based playing surface (rather than wood, think of all the trees well save) and go away from the real live animal ball to a synthetic one made from soy, teams will only be allowed to travel by amtrak also, so well need to remove cut the franchises in a third to reduce competition. now keep in mind this league wont have winners or losers since gosh forbide we hurt someones feelings. we should be able to subsidize this whole thing and tax away any margins....

[BuckeyeMike80]

Originally Posted by BB73

I'm aware of the precedent. I believe it's wrong, based on age discrimination.

I notice you didn't address my response to your comment about the 'rules' for employers.

Honestly, I didn't see it :embarrassed:

[BuckeyeMike80]

BTW I see it as protecting their product. It was pretty clear the NBA was declining in overall mature talent due to the influx of project high-schoolers and the bottom line was suffering and is still suffering because of it.