Proposed NBA Age Limit - min 2 yrs

[jwinslow]

They're setting up a safeguard for the (problematic) norm rather than the (rare) exception. Doing the opposite would be quite backwards.

[LitlBuck]

Originally Posted by ScriptOhio

On ESPN the other day Bobby Knight pointed out another reason why they should go to the 2 year rule. The 1 year one rule is an "academic joke" and/or an embarrassment to the educational system. A kid only needs a D in two classes his first semester to be eligible to play ball the entire basketball season. He doesn't even need to go to class the second semester. Basically he can play basketball for one season and get "zero" education. Maintain academic eligibility for the second year would require him/her to meet significantly higher academic standards, etc.

This is what I was trying to say when I posted this a couple posts above this one.

Lebron, Bryant, and KG and others. There Is no sense to make that type of kid go to college even for one year. It is not going to do him any good to go to school for one year, and you can be probably even say two years, if they really don't want a college education. They will just study enough to stay eligible

[ScarletBlood31]

Originally Posted by billmac91

It's going to suck balls for the first kid who Shaun Livingston's his knee-cap when he could have been making millions of dollars in the NBA.

I agree, but it's an acceptable risk. Football players have to stay 3 years, and have far more of a chance for injury during their college career than a basketball player. Even if one of them does suffer an injury during his first or second season in college, he can still stick around a few more years to hopefully get back into shape, get more experiance, and at the least he'll come out with a college education. If he gets hurt his first year in the pros, he still might have his rookie paycheck to live off of, but that most likely won't last him for his life.

I think the pros definitely outweigh the cons on this one.

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

College game will improve.... NBA game will improve as a result....

Sounds like a good plan to me.

One of my biggest beefs with the NBA is that I cannot take seriously a professional league that is so easily accessible to kids who were playing High School the year before... It got so bad you didn't have the rare KG or LBJ... you had stiffs like .... well.. damn near every other HS to NBA jump... And, the overall level of the game deteriorated as a result..if you ask me.

Make a kid stay in college 2 years, he learns more fundamentals gets to play stiffer competition than he'd play in HS... gets better prepared for the NBA. The NBA will be taking polished.. OK, more polished... prospects.. less high draft picks spent on projects who you had to take out of HS.... Hell, come 2012, I might start watching the NBA again... probably not... but, at least it'll be a better game "on paper"

[BengalsAndBucks]

Originally Posted by Buckeyeskickbuttocks

One of my biggest beefs with the NBA is that I cannot take seriously a professional league that is so easily accessible to kids who were playing High School the year before... It got so bad you didn't have the rare KG or LBJ... you had stiffs like .... well.. damn near every other HS to NBA jump... And, the overall level of the game deteriorated as a result..if you ask me.

Actually, the success rate of players drafted straight out of high school is relatively high, probably a little higher than college draft picks. Take the 2005 NBA Draft for example:

6. Martell Webster- has started to play better this year, only averaging 10.7 ppg and 4 rpg, which is not what you expect out of a #6 overall, so we can call him a bust.

10. Andrew Bynum- 2nd best young center in the game, would have been an all-star if not for the injury, probably would have been taken top-3 if there were a re-draft.

18. Gerald Green- averaged 10 points last season, got stuck on the bench in Minnesota behind other players and was traded to Houston and then cut, but sure to be signed as an unrestricted free agent this off-season. Similar stats to those players drafted around him, but still a disappointment.

34. C.J. Miles- only averaging 5 ppg, but he has been stuck behind Kyle Korver this season. Showing definite signs of improvement.

40. Monta Ellis- Most Improved Player last season and averaging 20 ppg as starting SG.

45. Louis Williams- averaging 11.5 ppg and 3 apg backing up Andre Miller.

49. Andray Blatche- Averaging 7 points 5 boards backing up Brendan Haywood.

56. Amir Johnson- averaging 3 points and 4 rebounds backing up Rasheed Wallace and Jason Maxiell.

Of all these players, there is no one who I would call a "stiff." Green is currently not playing, but that was due more to Houston having a full roster than his lack of talent, and he will land a pretty nice contract next season. Bynum and Ellis will be all-stars for years to come. Webster has been solid but hasn't really lived up to his billing as the #6 overall.

Kwame Brown leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth in terms of most high school players, but overall high school players have been very productive for their draft position.

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Even better to my point, if you ask me. Proving any above average HS kid can be an NBA player. Why would I want to watch that?

[BengalsAndBucks]

I have no idea what point your trying to make here. Clearly not any above-average high school player can make it to the NBA- these are the creme of the crop, the best of the 5 star recruits. I was just saying that, as bad as Kwame Brown has made the average high school-to-pro player look, there are many more examples of players who went straight to the NBA and were huge successes.

As to why you would want to watch that, I have no idea what you would want to watch.

[cincibuck]

Originally Posted by DaytonBuck

Ridiculous rule. Baseball players can earn money out of high school but basketballs players can't?

Junior. is the only kid I can think of going to the MLB from school, but even he spent most of his first year in Bellingham before coming up to the Mariners in September. Oh, and Nuxhall at 16, but that was in the middle of WWII and even he didn't stick that year.

I don't know how you would do it, but it seems to me that this, pro sports, is the only industry that can force you to sign with a given entity and force you to do something else until they're ready for you. It's a disservice to the schools, but more importantly, it's a disservice to the kids.

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Originally Posted by BengalsAndBucks

I have no idea what point your trying to make here. Clearly not any above-average high school player can make it to the NBA- these are the creme of the crop, the best of the 5 star recruits. I was just saying that, as bad as Kwame Brown has made the average high school-to-pro player look, there are many more examples of players who went straight to the NBA and were huge successes.

As to why you would want to watch that, I have no idea what you would want to watch.

Why bother watching the NBA when I can just watch HS basketball.. it's a lot cheaper...

"Creme of the crop?" My point is... if the greatest HS players are such great NBA players... well.. the NBA must suck.

Maybe I just think the highest level of basketball should be more complicated than such that a friggin 19 year old can excel at. Don't get me wrong, these people are incredible athletes... but.. the game itself... the product... can't be that good if you don't need a "basketball education" to be able to dominate it.

You know what made Jordan so great? It wasn't plain talent alone... it was that he learned how to play the game. And, as it turns out.... until he learned how to play the game, the Bulls were a 1st round play off loss. Frankly, that's what makes LeBron great (and I realize that's contrary to my point)... along with talent, you have to learn things. If any joker out of HS is just as likely to "get it" along with a 7 year vet... The caliber of the game can't be worth the price of admission.

[ScriptOhio]

Memphis' Derrick Rose Should Send David Stern A Thank You

Derrick Rose might not have been happy when he heard that he would be forced to pick a college for a year as part of being the second class to endure the NBA's new 19-year-old draft rule.
But we here at CNBC SportsBiz have calculated that Derrick Rose will be gratified to know that his one year at the University of Memphis was probably worth at least $10 Million more to him.
Why? Because Rose is clearly this year's winner of the one and dones. That doesn't mean that Rose is necessarily the top pick in the NBA Draft. It just means that his trip to college likely helped make him more than any other.
Take, for example, what happened last year. Greg Oden might have been picked first in the draft last year, but we kind of expected that. Therefore, the winner of the one and dones was Kevin Durant, who wasn't on the radar at the beginning of the season, got picked second and had the second largest rookie shoe deal negotiated for him following a guy named LeBron.
Oden wasn't even the number two beneficiary last year, at least according to my calculations. His high school and college teammate Mike Conley, who wasn't really tabbed as a one and done to start to season, played into the National Championship game last year and signed a fat contract as the fourth overall pick, taken by Memphis Grizzlies.
It's hard to say where Rose might have went had the rule not have existed--each guru has his own site -- but let's say, for argument sake, a pre-college Rose would have gone third. Where does he go after tonight's Championship Game? Possibly first. Possibly second. Maybe third. But the fact is that this tournament has given him a great marketing platform that The likes of O.J. Mayo and Michael Beasley obviously won't realize.
So before we even start with projecting how far Rose rose and how his rookie scale might have jumped up, I'm saying his shoe deal over a six year contract is up $10 million from the tourney alone. Tonight is a great opportunity for a kid like Rose as a guy like Carmelo Anthony has proven in years past.

Entire article: Memphis' Derrick Rose Should Send David Stern A Thank You - Sports Biz with Darren Rovell - MSNBC.com

[crazybuckfan40]

Originally Posted by BengalsAndBucks

Actually, the success rate of players drafted straight out of high school is relatively high, probably a little higher than college draft picks. Take the 2005 NBA Draft for example:

6. Martell Webster- has started to play better this year, only averaging 10.7 ppg and 4 rpg, which is not what you expect out of a #6 overall, so we can call him a bust.

10. Andrew Bynum- 2nd best young center in the game, would have been an all-star if not for the injury, probably would have been taken top-3 if there were a re-draft.

18. Gerald Green- averaged 10 points last season, got stuck on the bench in Minnesota behind other players and was traded to Houston and then cut, but sure to be signed as an unrestricted free agent this off-season. Similar stats to those players drafted around him, but still a disappointment.

34. C.J. Miles- only averaging 5 ppg, but he has been stuck behind Kyle Korver this season. Showing definite signs of improvement.

40. Monta Ellis- Most Improved Player last season and averaging 20 ppg as starting SG.

45. Louis Williams- averaging 11.5 ppg and 3 apg backing up Andre Miller.

49. Andray Blatche- Averaging 7 points 5 boards backing up Brendan Haywood.

56. Amir Johnson- averaging 3 points and 4 rebounds backing up Rasheed Wallace and Jason Maxiell.

Of all these players, there is no one who I would call a "stiff." Green is currently not playing, but that was due more to Houston having a full roster than his lack of talent, and he will land a pretty nice contract next season. Bynum and Ellis will be all-stars for years to come. Webster has been solid but hasn't really lived up to his billing as the #6 overall.

Kwame Brown leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth in terms of most high school players, but overall high school players have been very productive for their draft position.

So this is there third year in the league...imagine if they would of went to college for 2 seasons and this was their rookie year...Everyone would know every name on that list, they would be seasoned to go to the NBA and the two years were those guys were unheard of wouldn't of happened...This is what makes this rule so great...

[BengalsAndBucks]

Originally Posted by crazybuckfan40

So this is there third year in the league...imagine if they would of went to college for 2 seasons and this was their rookie year...Everyone would know every name on that list, they would be seasoned to go to the NBA and the two years were those guys were unheard of wouldn't of happened...This is what makes this rule so great...

I'm not disagreeing with you at all, in fact I wanted to mention this and forgot. I like the rule and think that spending two years getting an education will help develop these players as people, and the development from two years in the pros and two years in college is probably about the same IMO, although the straight from high school players probably have an advantage in their 3rd pro year because they have adjusted to the life. I was just using that list to prove that most recruits straight out of high school are pretty successful in the league.

As for BKB's point about the NBA being a poor product if high school players can come in and dominate- basketball is basketball. Its much less complicated than football, where the playbooks are incredibly different from high school to college to the pros. Sure, coaches need to teach sets and formations, if you will, but basketball is so much more about individual talent and playmaking, and these kids all have the talent to come in and play. And very few of these kids come in and dominate from day 1, but if you could spend two years in college developing your game, or two years in the pros developing your game while getting paid a lot of money, which would you take?

[DaytonBuck]

Jermaine O'Neal and Rashard Lewis actually improved against NBA players versus playing in college. Greg Oden would have lost more money than any insurance policy could have ever paid him.

I'd love to see to OSU get loaded up with talent but not at the expense of their future. Going back to Cook last year I offer the advice that any sane person would have in the situation. If you can get million dollar money for playing hoops that's a train you should jump on.

[BuckeyePride]

Originally Posted by Bleed S & G

Right, but how many of the failures came straight from High School? We all know the LeBron's of the world..

College stars fail in NBA too. I would imagine the ratio of college players failing in the NBA is higher than high school kids at this point.

I think this rule is a joke as far as NBA is concern. NFL rule is OK because of physical hardness. I doubt that NBA can defend their case like NFL did in the legal system.

[jimotis4heisman]

Originally Posted by BuckeyePride

College stars fail in NBA too. I would imagine the ratio of college players failing in the NBA is higher than high school kids at this point.

I think this rule is a joke as far as NBA is concern. NFL rule is OK because of physical hardness. I doubt that NBA can defend their case like NFL did in the legal system.

they were able to defend it with the one year rule, why wouldnt they be able to defend a two year rule?