RB Speed (Split from MoC)

[gost8]

"The only way Clarett would have a chance to make it is if he was drafted after the 6th round. He won't try because since he was drafted so early Denver will have to give him millions. Then when he flops they will send him to Europe and continue to pay him millions."

Originally Posted by Sloopy45

Never said anything of this sort. I said that IN MY OPINION, its stupid to draft this kid this high and give him that money.

Originally Posted by Sloopy45

The only way Clarett would shape up was as a 5th, 6th, 7th Round Selection or as a Free Agent in mini-camp working to make the team. Its the only thing that would've forced him to mature, get his life straightened out, & abandon the sense of entitlement that led to his downfall.

And now? The Broncos enabled the kid the way a drug dealer would enable a crack addict. You gave the kid a (probable) million dollar deal over the life of the contract, and basically guaranteed him a roster spot. Lets face it: even if he doesn't make the team this season, no team is flat-out cutting a 3rd Round Draft Pick. They'll send him to NFL Europe, coddle him some more, and only intensify his sense of entitlement.

He could've been a steal if the teams allowed him to drop into the latter rounds & they'd get a very hungry player in mini-camp. And now? They got a kid with no motivation to excel whatsoever with a million bucks in his pocket. What a shame.

You never said anything of this sort?!?!? Its damn near a direct quote!!!

Lay off the drugs dude.

[Sloopy45]

gost8: "You never said anything of this sort?!?!? Its damn near a direct quote!!!"

Enough. Like I said, they're all my opinion. I have mine, you have yours. Go make out with your imaginary girlfriend & drop it.

[gost8]

Originally Posted by Sloopy45

gost8: "You never said anything of this sort?!?!? Its damn near a direct quote!!!"

Enough. Like I said, they're all my opinion. I have mine, you have yours. Go make out with your imaginary girlfriend & drop it.

Intelligent reply, just like all the rest. When all else fails resort to name calling and talk about something else you have no clue about. I have been married for 5 years.

[Pheasant]

Originally Posted by Sloopy45

"So you think Ginn is faster than Ben Johnson on steroids? Not only faster but over a tenth faster?"

Dude, its a different standard of measure. 40 times are NFL/college/HS football speak. Your mention of Ben Johnson is pointless. You can't compare a track star's times with what is measured at a football camp/combine. I don't give a [censored] (and don't know) what each individual's ACTUAL 40 times are. I know what's reported, and what I see.

And this is relevant to nothing in the conversation. Who cares about Ben Johnson? You're trying to discredit NFL 40 times. Ok, done. Next post, write me a paper on how the NBA lists players as taller than they actually are.

You are an absolute idiot. MoC will probably need almost this whole season to get back into true playing shape, but as Alan has said numerous times, between the white lines the kid can flat out play.
Also, since he's had 2 years off- he doesn't have near the mileage on him that the other backs in the draft have. He's grown up a lot- or the Broncos wouldn't have drafted him so high, and he's a proven winner. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if MoC has the best NFL career of any back in this year's draft.

Since you are so hung up on his speed, and you've seen every down he ever played at OSU, perhaps you could find the elusive clip of him being run down from behind....and before you babble about how that was then and this is now- remember that his combine time was run after training with a personal trainer (maybe more than one) for 2 years. His playing days he was training with the team and a world class S&C program- which he'll have again with the Broncos.

[bukIpower]

Yeah I agree MoC is going to be on the Bronco's next year. I read an article over on the devnerbronco's home page, and it said he was working his tail off. Not only that but Shannahan was quoted in also mentioning incredible hands, and vision. Obviously they're not really worried about speed, and neither was tressel when they recruited him. He wasn't the fastest when he came here either but we knew how dangerous the kid was. I think the bottom line is we all know MoC is dangerous as anyone in the backfield but can he just get himself back into shape and do the work necessary to make himself into a pro bowl running back??

[osugrad21]

Originally Posted by bukIpower

He wasn't the fastest when he came here either but we knew how dangerous the kid was.

Actually MoC was a sub 4.5 40 guy when he came to Cbus...clocked back to back times under 4.5 at the tOSU camp


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[zincfinger]

Originally Posted by gost8

AS I HAVE SAID COUNTLESS TIMES. 40 times are over rated.

Ben Johnson, who is believed to have run 40 yards faster than any human in history. Johnson is best known for injecting copious amounts of steroids and winning the 100 meters at the 1988 Olympics in Seoul in 9.79 seconds, only to have his gold medal and world record stripped after failing a post-race drug test. <dummy-1> </dummy-1> Timing officials have since broken down that famed race into 10-meter increments, and Johnson was so preposterously fast that he went through 50 meters in 5.52 seconds and 60 meters in 6.37 -- both under the current world records at those distances. He went through 40 yards that day in 4.38 seconds.

He was running in spikes . . . on a warm afternoon perfectly suited for sprinting . . . with a slight tailwind . . . with years of training from arguably track's top coach, Charlie Francis . . . with Carl Lewis and six others of the fastest men on the planet chasing him . . . with 69,000 people roaring at Seoul's Olympic Stadium . . . with hundreds of millions of people watching on TV . . . with the ultimate prize in sports, an Olympic gold medal, at stake.

And, as we learned later, with muscles built with the assistance of the anabolic steroid stanazolol.

Four-point-three-eight seconds.

Then again, maybe Ben Johnson isn't the fastest 40-yard man in the world.

Maybe half the NFL is faster.

Track competition races are started from a pistol shot, which means that the timer starts before the runners start running. NFL combine 40-times start the timing when the runner starts, meaning that the timer does not start before the runner starts running. The two times cannot be directly compared, but a typical conversion is to subtract 0.25 seconds from a track meet time to get a football test time. This means that Ben Johnson would have run about a 4.13 second 40 at the combine. No one in the NFL is that fast.

edit: this difference has nothing to do with whether track meet times or NFL combine times are more accurate. They're both completely electronic and completely accurate, but because of the fundamentally different relationship between timer start and runner start in the two 40-types, track times are intrinsically longer for any given runner.