Mike Vick (official thread) - Page 18

Jaxbuck · #**256** (**permalink**) 12-20-2005, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by crazybuckfan40

Well he could still get 5-6 more good years out of his legs and by then the passing should be a little better.

Running backs usually go that long and are still good, and they take more of a pounding than Vick does, so maybe he could get even more.

The average NFL RB lasts 5 years. Vicks been in for 4.

Ask Bo Jackson, Earl Campbell or John Elway if the wheels last long.

Regardless, his passing isn't going to get better if he plays till he's 100.

Bucklion · #**257** (**permalink**) 12-20-2005, 01:26 AM

Actually what's funny is the people who are completely blinded by the Vick-lovefest seemingly don't even read the posts anymore.

The question asked wasn't "Who would you take ahead of Vick to build a team around?"...the question was "With the game on the line, who do you want leading your last drive?"

And yes, I would take McNair and Brunell over Vick in that situation every time...sorry. And the comparisons with Rypien and Humphries and the other journeymen are made by Vick-lovers who want to feel better about themselves...not me. If I want to sell tickets, Vick is probably the league's number one draw. If I want to win a game on the last drive, I'd take 20 other QBs before Vick. You can win a SUper Bowl without a great QB, but if the QB is the guy you've built your francise around, he'd better be able to deliver week in and week out...and Vick has shown no propensity to do that over a course of a season.

I have said many times I don't blame one player for the Falcons not winning more games...but then people use the "win games" argument to annoint Vick an elite QB, right up until they talk about the Falcons losing this year...and then suddenly none of it is his fault. He's never run when he should have thrown, never locked in on Crumpler for 3 quarters, never carried the ball like he was begging to fumble it, never thrown a bad pass...it's the line, it's the receivers (except Jenkins of course), it's Dunn, it's the dome...

I don't hate Vick, I hate people (mostly stupid media) with apparently no sense of history saying Vick is the greatest QB ever, that he revolutionized the QB position (sorry, if anyone did that, it was Cunningham), that he should make the Pro Bowl every year, no matter how bad he plays...and that if the team wins, he carried them, but if they lose, he's absolved of blame. That's why Vick is such a contentious issue. People love him, more power to you...but the arguments about how great of a QB he is are not grounded in much reality, in my opinion.

Bucklion · #**258** (**permalink**) 12-20-2005, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by crazybuckfan40

Well he could still get 5-6 more good years out of his legs and by then the passing should be a little better.

Running backs usually go that long and are still good, and they take more of a pounding than Vick does, so maybe he could get even more.

Running backs usually play 10-12 years? In what league? Certainly not the NFL.

Guy Incognito · #**259** (**permalink**) 12-20-2005, 01:33 AM

I still laugh thinking about the offseason SI cover I AM A QUARTERBACK
And then there was his sophomoric idiotic response to the media when he actually did well - I dont want any questions ever again about my accuracy...

And then there is the fact that the media and NFL have basically swept the Mexico story under the doormat.

Watching him fail this year has been a absolute joy to watch.

ScarletBlood31 · #**260** (**permalink**) 12-20-2005, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Man

LOL, McNair and Brunell over Vick that is funny. Brunell won't even be a starter next year and McNair can't make it through a full game anymore. The guy is 25 cut him some slack. Vick has never came out and said "I'm the greatest QB in the NFL". The media hypes him because he attracts an audience. You put him behind the O-lines of the Steelers or the Seahawks and the results would be different. The Falcons can run block but me and 4 of you guys would be better pass protectors.

What are you talking about? Mark Brunell, even though I really do not like the Redskins, has been having a fantastic season. He is in a totally different league than Vick this season, and to laugh at taking Brunell over him is just showing ignorance. Give respect where respect is due.

And trust me, Vick has said plenty about himself about how sweet he is and how good he is. And his whole little "i dont ever wanna hear criticism about me passing again, because I can do it. I'm winning games so I don't wanna hear anything about me again." crap after the Miami game. Thats one of the main reasons i cant stand Vick, is because he is so cocky. Ive been at a football camp where he made an appearance, and he was a dick to alot of the kids and walked around like he was God.

jwinslow · #**261** (**permalink**) 12-20-2005, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ScarletBlood31

What are you talking about? Mark Brunell, even though I really do not like the Redskins, has been having a fantastic season. He is in a totally different league than Vick this season, and to laugh at taking Brunell over him is just showing ignorance. Give respect where respect is due.

good point. Brunell threw the ball like a drunken ape the last few years, but has been pretty good this year. How many of you commenting on Brunell actually watched him play more than one game?

Why is there no thread discussing why favre should have hung it up long ago? He's been stinking up the joint this year, and gets a lot of media love anyway. I realize he once was great, but the reality is that he gets the same unwarranted praise from announcers regardless of performance.