Mike Vick (official thread)

[crazybuckfan40]

Originally Posted by Mr. Clutch

Jesus Christ, dude. Look at their numbers this year. Try and compare them. Carr has absolutely nothing to work with in Houston. He's taken more of a beating than Vick will in his entire career. Yet, Carr still has him beat in numbers. He's a better QB than Vick. If you put Carr in a Falcons uniform, I guarantee you that they're better off. I can't stand it when people think that Vick's "so [censored]ing good." He's exciting to watch, but he's not even one of the Top 15 QB's in the NFL.

Got your panties all in a bunch I see...

[Jaxbuck]

Originally Posted by crazybuckfan40

I would agree with the passing rb analogy, but like I said I do not like the stats, and I think that you can see why, I mean his stats look like David Carr, but I would think that many people would agree with me that he brings a lot more to the table than David Carr. You have to keep in mind how much Vick helps the running game because of Ends having to stay home and watch out for Vick and you have to agree that he gives the WRs more time to get open by his scrambling.

The numbers don't fit your preconceived notion of the 2 players so the numbers must be flawed. Sadly, I've ran into that mindset a time or two before.

His stats look like David Carr because his game isn't that much better than David Carr and I don't really care what the media hype machine has to say about it. Fundamental numbers over a large sample size are kinda hard to argue with.

Sure, I'll agree his scrambling gives WR more time to get open. My question is so what? He still doesn't complete many passes or throw many TD's. If his running ability opens up the passing game so much, why are his passing numbers so awful?

[crazybuckfan40]

Originally Posted by Jaxbuck

The numbers don't fit your preconceived notion of the 2 players so the numbers must be flawed. Sadly, I've ran into that mindset a time or two before.

His stats look like David Carr because his game isn't that much better than David Carr and I don't really care what the media hype machine has to say about it. Fundamental numbers over a large sample size are kinda hard to argue with.

Sure, I'll agree his scrambling gives WR more time to get open. My question is so what? He still doesn't complete many passes or throw many TD's. If his running ability opens up the passing game so much, why are his passing numbers so awful?

Look at his first 2 games when he controlled the game, put up a ton of yards on the ground. He didnt put up that many yards through the air or he didnt have very accurate games.

I will agree that his accuracy is awful at times, but where in your stats analysis do you put in all the the first downs he picks up with his legs, or the plays he makes with his legs.

I would say that his running ability opens up the running game more so than it does the passing game. I mean the Falcons had more yards thru 2 games than any other team had thru 3.

I will also say that if the Falcons have to play from behind they struggle at times b/c Vick is not a great drop back passer, and that is when the line struggles to give him time when the d-line has their ears pinned back.

[jwinslow]

Originally Posted by Mr. Clutch

Right. Vick almost won a national championship, single-handedly. Young WON one by himself. Young's more accurate than Vick, and will succeed in the Titans' offense. It's astonishing that any QB could possibly be near 50 percent in the West Coast offense. I'm not saying Vince Young will fail. He very well may. But at least I'm not as biased as some of you dumbasses.

stop, just stop. Say you like VY better as a QB, I know I do. But pretending like Young won that title by himself, when you witnessed their defense shut down OSU's offense after many VY turnovers, is pretty comical.

[OSUBasketballJunkie]

ABJ

Familiar sight: Vick's stats not pretty

PAUL NEWBERRY

Associated Press

FLOWERY BRANCH, Ga. - This looks familiar: Three weeks into the season, Michael Vick is mired near the bottom of the NFL's passing stats.
His rating: 23rd.
His yards: 28th.
His completions: 47 percent.
"I know everybody is going to look at the stats and say it looks bad for me," the Falcons quarterback said Wednesday after a two-hour practice. "But this is a team game. Everyone has to do their job. And I don't feed into the stats book. I just want to be credited for wins and losses."
In that respect, the Falcons (2-1) are off to a good start, beating a couple of NFC South foes before losing to New Orleans in the emotionally charged reopening of the Superdome.
While the Monday night defeat can easily be attributed to the Saints' passion in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, it raised a common red flag for the Atlanta offense. When the Falcons have trouble running the ball, are Vick and those around him capable of winning the game through the air?
Not against New Orleans. Vick completed only 12 of 31 passes for 137 yards, though his numbers were skewed by at least five drops - including a certain touchdown that slipped away from normally sure-handed tight end Alge Crumpler.
For the season, Vick has connected on 32 of 68 throws for 369 yards, with three touchdowns and one interception. Those numbers look downright puny alongside quarterbacks such as Philadelphia's Donovan McNabb, who has thrown for a league-leading 960 yards.
"I'm extremely happy with Mike. It's difficult not to be happy with Mike," Falcons coach Jim Mora insisted. "There's no column on the statistic sheet for dropped passes. It just shows completions, attempts, percentage and rating. When the receivers drop the ball, the numbers are not going to look as good. And our receivers dropped some balls the other night."
Atlanta's wins over Carolina and Tampa Bay were powered by a dominant running game that prominently featured Vick. But the Saints were not fooled by the shotgun option that so confused the Buccaneers, limiting the Falcons to 117 yards on the ground - less than half of what they averaged in the first two games. Vick, in fact, was the team's top rusher with 57 yards.
Of course, the Falcons knew they weren't going to put up a rushing average of 279 yards over a 16-game season. The passing game would have to take on a bigger role, and Mora is pleased with Vick's progress in the West Coast-style offense that gave him trouble the last two years.
"It's better, a lot better," the coach said. "It's a lot better from the standpoint of decision-making, timing, breaking down the progressions, knowing where to go with the ball a lot quicker. The problem Monday night was we dropped five passes. And New Orleans covered well. They got their hands in there and knocked a lot of balls out."
The protection for Vick was another concern. The Falcons' undersized line is better suited for the zone blocking schemes of the running game. When playing off their heels, the guys up front often have trouble setting up an effective pocket around No. 7. The Saints sacked Vick five times and smacked him around on nine passes he did get away.
The Falcons may have gotten away from their running game a little too quickly, trying to catch up through the air after the Saints jumped to a 14-3 lead in the first quarter. And there were more struggles in the red zone; Going into Sunday's home game against the Arizona Cardinals (1-2), Atlanta has gone more than 6 1/2 quarters without scoring a touchdown.
"It is a very real concern, but we feel like we can get through it," Mora said. "We will get through it."
The Falcons have been a run-oriented team since Mora took over as coach in 2004. They led the league in rushing the last two seasons and are on the way to doing it again, which partially explains Vick's ordinary passing stats. He ranked 21st in passing efficiency in 2004, when Atlanta reached the NFC championship game, and dropped to 25th last season.
Vick said he's still getting used to a relatively new group of receivers. Michael Jenkins is in his second year as a starter. Roddy White is in his second year, period. Ashley Lelie is still learning the offense after being acquired from Denver during the preseason.
"We're still working hard together," Vick said. "This is really our first year together with the crew we have out there now. We're still working on our chemistry."
And how long will it take to get there?
"It's not going to happen overnight," Vick said. "Maybe it will be all year long. Maybe halfway through the year we'll have it down."
Mora is confident that Vick's passing numbers will look much better by the time the season is done.
"If you take the emotion out of it and just try to gauge where we are, I like the progress we are making in the passing game," Mora said. "It's not reflected in the numbers yet, but it will be as we go through the year."

[The Man]

Originally Posted by Mr. Clutch

Right. Vick almost won a national championship, single-handedly. Young WON one by himself. Young's more accurate than Vick, and will succeed in the Titans' offense.

by himself huh? Must have watched a different Texas team than me. The Texas team I saw had 1st rounders (and future 1st rounders) at RB, OL, DL, LB, and DB. Since when is Vince more accurate than anyone? That is the Vince that has a 41.7 completion percentage (10 for 24) so far right?