Titans QB Vince Young (official thread)

[Saw31]

Originally Posted by Buckeye513

You mean besides the fact that he can't pass?

I think that may be overstating it a bit...

168/268 for 2576 yards
62.7% completion rate
9.6 yds/att
23/9 TD/Int ratio
165.03 rating

He is not the "classic" passer, but to say he can't pass is not accurate IMO.

[crazybuckfan40]

Originally Posted by Buckeye513

You mean besides the fact that he can't pass?

I guess I am going to be on the other side of most of you on here, but I feel that he is an avg. passer. Much like Vick was coming out of school and he is getting better.

There is a reason why I said put him in the Lions offense. They have 3 recievers and 1 good te. The 3 recievers are still trying to find a connection with a QB and Young could easily strike up that connection with one of them, say Roy Williams(I believe he threw to him in college, coulduve been b4 Young).

The thing that he needs to work on his decision making, but that will improve over time, which does he want to do, improve it on an NFL field making lots of money or @ Texas. I guess that is the million dollar ?.

Here are some stats. I would call these pretty damn impressive.

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He is also a very good leader as we have all seen this year, and that is not coachable. He would fit right in an nfl lockeroom and that can not be overlooked. I don't see a quite guy here that might just sit back and not do what he needs to b/c he is a rookie and I don't see a TO or Keyshawn type guy.

I know you guys are going to think I am stupid, but My order for Qb's in next years draft would go Omar Jacobs, Young, Lienhart.

IMO Lienhart has not been under pressure in his career and he has had Reggie Bush in the backfield with him and The athletes he has around him are amazing. Put him in the right situation and he will be fine, but I just don't think he would be my franchise QB if I didnt have a lot to work with, like a team like the Texans, Dolphins, etc.

[Jeffcat]

Originally Posted by Saw31

I think that may be overstating it a bit...

168/268 for 2576 yards
62.7% completion rate
9.6 yds/att
23/9 TD/Int ratio
165.03 rating

He is not the "classic" passer, but to say he can't pass is not accurate IMO.

while he may have some stats unlike most of the media which jumped on his bandwagon i didnt because look who has played. other than us where he showed how errant his passes and decisions can be he has played NOBODY. A&M almost lost to DIAA texas state and didnt even have mcneal in the texas game, ok state almost lost to florida atlantic, oklahoma got throttled by UCLA, they played La Tech, texas tech is a fraud. fact of the matter is if troy smith and ohio state was playing the big 12 this year we would go undefeated as well and smith would prolly put up the same numbers if not better.

[Jeffcat]

Originally Posted by crazybuckfan40

I don't understand why you would not want him as your QB.

Hell I think he is a better runner than Vick an just as good a passer. We all see what Vick does for the ATL offense and where it is without him.

He would help a team with a under acheiveing o-line. I could see him in Detroit, I think he would be a stud there.

They wouldnt be able to unleash the rush, and he would have time to hit the big recievers they have. A bad ball could still be caught and they also have a very talented rb who is hurt right now in Jones.

Young in Detroit would be scary to me.

i think his only shot is at a receiver position in my opinion. watching young compared to vick, vick clearly looks like the better passer and runner in every aspect. young just has a beastly size and strength which is why if he beefed up i could see him at TE if not WR since he has pretty good speed. being an average QB doesnt cut it in the NFL. people rave that vick cant pass but when he needs to he gets the job done and he didnt get selected to go to the pro bowl just because he can run with the ball.

[jwinslow]

young made some bad decisions when getting sacked, but his other passes were pretty good. I don't think he was as bad as you are describing against us.

He is definitely better than Vick was as a QB in college, and is harder to bring down than Vick (and a LOT more durable, Vick seems to get up slow after every scramble or two). I like cbf40's idea about the lions, I think that would be a good fit for him.

if we're gonna claim he hasn't played any teams, smith hasn't beaten a single good zone defense if we're gonna argue like that... and most know I'm a big smith apologist.

[crazybuckfan40]

Originally Posted by Jeffcat

i think his only shot is at a receiver position in my opinion. watching young compared to vick, vick clearly looks like the better passer and runner in every aspect. young just has a beastly size and strength which is why if he beefed up i could see him at TE if not WR since he has pretty good speed. being an average QB doesnt cut it in the NFL. people rave that vick cant pass but when he needs to he gets the job done and he didnt get selected to go to the pro bowl just because he can run with the ball.

I agree with you on Vick, I back him all the time.

other than us where he showed how errant his passes and decisions can be

I am not sure that his passes where very errant in my opinion. He had a couple bad decisions but what QB doesnt. He has that knack as a winner as he put that ball to Sneed against us right where it had to be(I swear if I see that replay one more time this college football seaosn I am going to puke). He had some very nice throws against us and we all know how well he can run.

[Buckeye513]

Originally Posted by Saw31

I think that may be overstating it a bit...

168/268 for 2576 yards
62.7% completion rate
9.6 yds/att
23/9 TD/Int ratio
165.03 rating

He is not the "classic" passer, but to say he can't pass is not accurate IMO.

I didn't mean at all. Mack Brown wouldn't start him if he couldn't, but CFB40 was talking about him going to Detroit, and if I was an NFL GM, I wouldn't want him starting (at QB) on my team. He makes way to many stupid mistakes.
Like grad21 said, he has improved, but he has a long way to go to become a good passer.