Buccaneers TE Kellen Winslow Jr.

[LordJeffBuck]

Originally Posted by IronBuckI

P.S. Winslow is a playmaker. Especially if used correctly.

"Playmakers" need to make plays - Winslow hasn't made too many so far.

Even if he is/could be a playmaker, why say it? How many times did classy players like Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, Eddie George, etc. call themselves playmakers? They just showed it on the field. Time for KWII to shut up and play.

[jimotis4heisman]

Originally Posted by LordJeffBuck

"Playmakers" need to make plays - Winslow hasn't made too many so far.

Even if he is/could be a playmaker, why say it? How many times did classy players like Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, Eddie George, etc. call themselves playmakers? They just showed it on the field. Time for KWII to shut up and play.

exactly what i was going to say. playmakers make plays on the field, not espn interviews. i was never a fan of the irvin/sanders playmaker/primetime stuff. i dont care what you say, but skill postion playmakers have more than one career td catch...

[ytownbuckeye]

sgt. winslow has done nothing in career so far and browns have won next to nothing since drafting him maybe should try x games with his mean bike skills

[tibor75]

Here is the full article. THis is just priceless.

Winslow throws down
Tight end upset about offense's play calling, being pulled on third down
Tuesday, September 19, 2006
Mary Kay Cabot

Tight end Kellen Winslow Jr. vented his frustration in the Browns locker room Monday about being taken off the field on third down and about the team's conservative offense.

"Some of the coaches might just be holding us back a little bit," Winslow said. "I don't mean to try to go behind their backs or whatever, but let's go, let's air it out, let's run the ball, let's make plays, let's be exciting."

He said the offensive coaches are failing to get the ball in the hands of the playmakers.

"I think we're being a little too conservative right now and we just need to unleash it," he said. "Why wait? We're 0-2. We've got nothing to lose."

He said he's tried talking to the coaching staff, to no avail.

"There's so much talking -- it doesn't even matter anymore sometimes," he said. "It's just up to them."

Winslow was especially frustrated during the 34-17 loss to the Bengals because he was removed from the field on several key third downs. After one of those, late in the third quarter, he stalked over to the sidelines and waved his hands in anger. The Browns converted only 2-of-10 third downs.

"It's very frustrating," Winslow said. "We're losing and I'm not on the field. And I just don't get it. I don't really say anything; I just show my frustration."

Winslow said he's tried talking to his position coach, Ben Coates, and offensive coordinator Maurice Carthon, but nothing's changed.

"The Giants run the same system as we do, the Cowboys run the same system as we do and [Jeremy] Shockey and [Jason] Witten are on the field on third down," he said. "I just don't understand why I'm not on the field sometimes."

Does he expect it to change? "It has to if we want to win," he said. "Not just myself, but we need our playmakers on the field."

When his frustration finally boiled over on the field in Cincinnati, he brought his case to coach Romeo Crennel. "I talked to him during the game and he said he'll take care of it, so I'm pretty sure it's going to be taken care of," Winslow said.

Winslow also criticized the offensive staff for the run-oriented scheme against Cincinnati. Reuben Droughns ran the ball on the first five offensive plays - and on seven of the first 11 overall. He gained 17 yards on those seven runs and 32 overall on his 14 carries.


"We were run-first oriented and that's fine," Winslow said. "But we were down, 14-3, in the first quarter, so we've got to whip the plays out and let's go."

By halftime, the Browns were down, 17-3, and Winslow had caught only two passes for 22 yards. The ball didn't come his way until midway through the second quarter - and when it did, he caught it for 13 yards, including a few yards after the catch.

Overall, he had four catches for 42 yards against a defense that was playing man coverage.

"Nobody can guard me man to man," Winslow said after the game. "I'm just a playmaker, man. I just want to make plays and win."

Coach Romeo Crennel took umbrage to questions about Winslow's absence on third-down.

"He's not a wide receiver, first of all, so when you go three wides, he's not there," Crennel said. "I think you need to look at those plays that were run when we had that personnel group in the game and see if his presence would have made a difference on the plays that were called or not - before we jump to conclusions about whether he should be on the field or not."

But Winslow made it clear he believes he would make an impact on third down.

"Because I'm a playmaker," he said. "When the ball comes my way, I catch the ball, plain and simple."

While Winslow was standing on the sidelines, teammate Braylon Edwards was struggling with dropped passes, three in all.

"We've just got to execute - and when the ball comes, we've got to make the play," Winslow said.

[jwinslow]

Kellen is a tool, no doubt about that. As far as making plays LJB, I think he's held up his end of the bargain, at least as well as possible on an awful browns team. He's caught everything thrown his way, battled for yardage, etc. Pretty hard to get downfield with the browns OL.

The browns coaches are moronic for taking Winslow off the field on third downs. He's their only legitimate weapon... Braylon drops easy passes, JJ is injured, Frye can't scramble every time, etc.

[LordJeffBuck]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

Kellen is a tool, no doubt about that. As far as making plays LJB, I think he's held up his end of the bargain, at least as well as possible on an awful browns team. He's caught everything thrown his way, battled for yardage, etc. Pretty hard to get downfield with the browns OL.

The browns coaches are moronic for taking Winslow off the field on third downs. He's their only legitimate weapon... Braylon drops easy passes, JJ is injured, Frye can't scramble every time, etc.

Quit sticking up for your namesake, Josh -

[akronbuck]

Originally Posted by jwinslow

Kellen is a tool, no doubt about that. As far as making plays LJB, I think he's held up his end of the bargain, at least as well as possible on an awful browns team. He's caught everything thrown his way, battled for yardage, etc. Pretty hard to get downfield with the browns OL.

The browns coaches are moronic for taking Winslow off the field on third downs. He's their only legitimate weapon... Braylon drops easy passes, JJ is injured, Frye can't scramble every time, etc.

I hate winslut but, I think your right. HE IS THE ONLY OPTION FOR THE BROWNS BUT, I STILL WON'T GO TO A GAME WITH HIM ON IT SINCE HE'S SUCH A SOLDIER.
I wish he could do some reporting over there because, he might get shot looking like Taliban

[OSUsushichic]

Wow, his 2nd game back from a 2-year hiatus and he's already bitching. Way to screw yourself, Soldja.

[Bucklion]

Originally Posted by OSUsushichic

Wow, his 2nd game back from a 2-year hiatus and he's already bitching. Way to screw yourself, Soldja.

Let me start by saying I hate the cocky bastard, and his equally cocky bastard father. However, this actually bothers me the least about what he's done...he's kind of like Keyshown Johnson used to be when he was good...he's an asshole, but at least he wants to produce. Give me that over Roy "Who cares about the score" Williams or David "I'm gonna showboat after catching a 4 yard slant on 3rd and 18" Terrell any day.

[BB73]

Originally Posted by NFBuck

I don't think he could coach 11 Sailors fresh off the boat in Bangkok to score.

[BGriffBuckeye]

Originally Posted by akronbuck

I hate winslut but, I think your right. HE IS THE ONLY OPTION FOR THE BROWNS BUT, I STILL WON'T GO TO A GAME WITH HIM ON IT SINCE HE'S SUCH A SOLDIER.
I wish he could do some reporting over there because, he might get shot looking like Taliban

I believe it is SOULJA, rather than SOLDIER.

[OSUBasketballJunkie]

ABJ

Winslow at odds on plays

By Patrick McManamon

Beacon Journal sportswriter


Mike Cardew/ Akron Beacon Journal
Cleveland Browns Kellen Winslow is tackled by Cincinnati Bengals Madieu Williams after a reception in the second quarter Sunday Sept.17, 2006 at Paul Brown Stadium in Cincinnati, Ohio. Cincinnati defeated Cleveland 34-17.

• Big, bad Winslow vents and tells it like it is
• Injury concerns pile up for already ailing team

BEREA - Kellen Winslow has a theory about why the Browns' offense has struggled in two losses to open the season.
``I think some of the coaches might just be holding us back a little bit,'' Winslow said Monday at the end of the team's open locker room with the media.
Winslow, a tight end, spoke calmly and quietly, but his comments were pointed -- and might not sit well with offensive coordinator Maurice Carthon and coach Romeo Crennel.
``I don't mean to try to go behind their backs or whatever,'' Winslow said. ``But we're 0-and-2. We have nothing to lose. Let's go. Let's air it out. Let's run the ball. Let's make plays.
``Let's be exciting.''
Winslow said the Browns need to do a ``a better job of getting the ball in our playmakers' hands.''
``Basically that's it,'' he said. ``We got to execute, and when the ball comes, we got to make the play.''
Is it not in the game plan, he was asked?
``That's exactly what it is,'' Winslow said. ``I think we're being a little too conservative right now. We just need to unleash it. You know, why wait? It was a division game and we're 0-2, so we have nothing to lose.''
Winslow's comments came the same day that Crennel was talking about scaling back the team's approach, simplifying things to help the players better understand their roles.
He said some players are being asked to do too much.
``There are some guys who are playing several different positions, and when you ask them to do a lot of different things, those bricks on the pile, they begin to add up,'' Crennel said.
Crennel did not name names.
Winslow is one player who lines up in several spots.
There has been an unspoken concern that Winslow has made mental mistakes -- lining up wrong, missing a block, running the wrong route -- that have hurt the team at times.
That being said, he also has been the offense's best player.
In the loss Sunday in Cincinnati, Winslow came off the field several times on third down as the Browns went to a three-receiver, two-back set. Winslow talked to Crennel on the sidelines when it happened in the third quarter.
``I talked to him during the game, and he said he'll take care of it,'' Winslow said. ``So I'm pretty sure it's going to be taken care of.''
Winslow also said he had talked to tight ends coach Ben Coates, apparently before the game.
``Nothing's changed,'' Winslow said. ``I don't understand it.''
Winslow did not mention Carthon, but said: ``There's so much talk. It doesn't even matter sometimes. It's just up to them (the coaches).''
``The Giants run the same system as we do. The Cowboys run the same system as we do. And (Jason) Witten and (Jeremy) Shockey are on the field on third down,'' he said of their use of tight ends. ``I just don't understand why I'm not on the field sometimes.''
Crennel was asked if Winslow could have been the third receiver instead of Joshua Cribbs.
``He's not a wide receiver, first of all,'' Crennel said, speaking before the media spoke with Winslow. ``So when we go three wides, he's not there. I think you need to look at those plays that were run when we had that personnel group in the game and see if his presence would have made a difference on the plays that were called or not... before we jump to conclusions about whether he should be on the field or not.''
Said Winslow: ``I'm a playmaker. When the ball comes my way, I catch the ball, plain and simple.''
Winslow spoke after finishing consecutive games for the first time in his three seasons with the Browns. His rookie year was cut short by a broken ankle; his second year by a knee injury suffered in a motorcycle accident.
After that accident, the Browns re-worked Winslow's contract, taking away some bonus money but allowing him to earn the money back with performance incentives.
Winslow clearly disagreed with the game plan against the Cincinnati Bengals. The Browns started the game running the ball, and when passes were called, they were quick routes or slants. The idea was to control the ball and slow down the Bengals' pass rush.
But Sunday, quarterback Charlie Frye said the team opened things up in the second half -- which led to a 75-yard completion to wide receiver Braylon Edwards.
Winslow did not touch the ball until midway into the second quarter, and when he did, he broke a tackle and ran for a first down.
``Team chemistry is there, man,'' Winslow said. ``We just got to get... the plays we had for the Cincinnati game were run-first oriented. And, you know, that's fine. But we were down 14-zip in the first quarter, I think it was (actually 14-3). We got to whip the plays out and let's go.''
He later added: ``We're losing and I'm not on the field. I just don't get it.''
Will it change?
``It has to. If we want to win,'' he said. ``Not just myself, but we need our playmakers on the field. I'm just a playmaker, man. I just want to make plays and win.''

[osugrad21]

ABJ

Winslow recovery will take months

Type of knee surgery isn't always successful

By Patrick McManamon

Beacon Journal sportswriter

INDIANAPOLIS - Kellen Winslow's comeback from offseason knee surgery will be quite a bit more involved than first impressions indicated.
Winslow, a Browns tight end, had microfracture surgery on his right knee Jan. 30, a process that takes four months to rehab.
The surgery is delicate, and although results have improved, it has not always been successful.
Microfracture surgery replaces damaged or lost cartilage. Small holes are drilled in the knee bone to promote blood flow. Scar tissue forms, replacing the damaged cartilage.

Cont'd...

[IronBuckI]

Just read about Mike D'Andrea's continuing problems after having microfracture surgery in his knee. Hopefully, for the Browns, this doesn't follow the same path.

[king rhabuf]

Originally Posted by IronBuckI

Just read about Mike D'Andrea's continuing problems after having microfracture surgery in his knee. Hopefully, for the Browns, this doesn't follow the same path.

yeah, microfracture surgery is very serious. i can't see him being anything near 100% next year look at amare stoudemire last year.