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10-16-2007, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Thump
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Technically Hagan is the backup on Chamber's side but Hagan is hurt and the #4 WR hasnt caught a pass. I think Ginn should start because of this but who knows what Cameron will do.
The only problem I see is that Ginn may not know the routes for that side of the field. |
10-16-2007, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Incredible
The fire sale begins.
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one trade is a fire sale?
Very few trades happen in the nfl, so don't count on your "fire sale" but it won't matter to you since you are not going to be a fan anymore. |
10-16-2007, 04:38 PM
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Beware the bearded beanie bunny hop!
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Originally Posted by kartaron
but who knows what Cameron will do.
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Whatever it is, it'll probably be stupid.
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10-16-2007, 05:02 PM
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fire sale
n. A sale of merchandise damaged by fire.
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Free agency is not excluded. I said the fire sale begins. Now is a good time for them to start over, keeping very few components of the current issues at hand. Watch for ZT and/or JT to be placed on the block in the off season and a youth movement to persevere. |
10-16-2007, 05:31 PM
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Let me help you-
Free agency is not excluded. I said the fire sale begins. Now is a good time for them to start over, keeping very few components of the current issues at hand. Watch for ZT and/or JT to be placed on the block in the off season and a youth movement to persevere.
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Ive thought that since before Marino even left this was necessary. Since 94 the fins keep adding one or two guys hoping they can stop new gaps from opening and they just end up staying a middling team who under performs every year. Jimmy Johnson tried to start over but the management wouldnt let him.
If Cameron can work this right Ill respect him more just because one of the coaches finally realized what was needed and talked the ownership into it.
As for the fire sale beginning dont forget the Welker, Morris and offensive line massacre in the off season. |
10-16-2007, 07:01 PM
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Very good points. If I could give my Fins symbol to you I would. I always felt Welker was a very underrated receiver, and now with the riddance of Chambers I was left wondering what direction the team is taking. Nearly 25 years since the last Super Bowl appearance and 5 years without a playoff run, where do you lay blame? Spielman? Someone before that? This isn't a one-year transition, it's been coming for a while. I do feel at the QB position the Dolphins had the right idea, wrong personnel. A mid-career QB is the way to go, but with current day intelligence in the league a team must spend the money on key positions. You can't possibly throw a rookie into the mix and expect him to succeed right away. Years of bad drafting in other positions has hurt them tremendously (i.e. Jason Allen, 16th pick in the first round of the 2006 Draft). In 2005, the draft class was solid- but keep in mind most rookies don't play for a few years. If you examine the drafts picks after Jason Taylor in 1997 through 2003 (the year the average player would be making an impact now), you have to be left realizing why the cupboard has become scarce:
3b Derrick Rodgers (92) LB Arizona State
(compensatory pick from NFL)
3c Ronnie Ward (93) LB Kansas
(compensatory pick from NFL)
3d y-Brent Smith (96) T Mississippi State
(compensatory pick from NFL)
4a TO ST. LOUIS in '97 draft trade-down (112)
4b Jerome Daniels (121) G Northeastern
(from St. Louis in '97 draft trade-down)
4c TO OAKLAND in '97 draft trade-down (123)
5a TO N.Y. JETS for James Brown (145)
5b Barron Tanner (149) DT Oklahoma
(from Kansas City for Pete Stoyanovich)
5c Nicholas Lopez (157) DE Texas Southern
(from Oakland in '97 draft trade-down)
6a John Fiala (166) LB Washington
(from Oakland in '97 draft trade-down)
6b Brian Manning (170) WR Stanford
(from St. Louis in '97 draft trade-down)
6c Mike Crawford (173) LB Nevada
(from St. Louis in '97 draft trade-down)
6d Ed Perry (177) TE James Madison
7a Hudhaifa Ismaeli (203) CB Northwestern
(from Oakland in '97 draft trade-down)
7b TO KANSAS CITY in '96 draft trade-down (214)
x - injured reserve '97 y - did not appear in a game in '97
1998
1a TO GREEN BAY in '98 draft trade-down (19)
1b John Avery (29) RB Mississippi
(from Green Bay in '98 draft trade-down)
2a Patrick Surtain CB Southern Miss.
(from Carolina for 1st-round pick in 2000)
2b Kenny Mixon (49) DE Louisiana State
2c TO DETROIT in '98 draft trade-down (60)
(from Green Bay in '98 draft trade-down)
3a Brad Jackson (79) LB Cincinnati
(from Detroit in '98 draft trade-down)
3b x-Larry Shannon (82) WR East Carolina
4a Lorenzo Bromell (102) DE Clemson
(from Philadelphia in '98 draft trade-up)
4b TO PHILADELPHIA in '98 draft trade-up (112)
5a TO PHILADELPHIA in '98 draft trade-up (142)
5b Scott Shaw (143) G Michigan State
(from Detroit in '98 draft trade-down)
6a Nathan Strikwerda (171) C Northwestern
6b John Dutton (172) QB Nevada
(from Detroit in '98 draft trade-down)
7 Jim Bundren (210) G Clemson
x - injured reserve '98
1999
1a TO SAN FRANCISCO in '99 draft trade-down (24)
1b TO DETROIT in '99 draft trade-down (27)
2a J.J. Johnson (39) RB Mississippi State
(from Detroit in '99 draft trade-down)
2b Rob Konrad (43) FB Syracuse
(from Kansas City in '99 draft trade-up)
2c TO KANSAS CITY in '99 draft trade-up (54)
3a TO DETROIT in '99 draft trade-down (70)
(from Detroit in '99 draft trade-down)
3b x-Grey Ruegamer (72) C Arizona State
(from Detroit in '99 draft trade-down)
3c TO KANSAS CITY in '99 draft trade-up (84)
4 TO MINNESOTA for signing Hunter Goodwin (120)
5a Cecil Collins (134) RB McNeese State
(from San Francisco in '99 draft trade-down)
5b Bryan Jones (142) LB Oregon State
(from Detroit in '99 draft trade-down)
5c TO SAN FRANCISCO for Kevin Gogan (157)
6 Brent Bartholomew (192) P Ohio State
7a TO N.Y. GIANTS for Tyrone Wheatley (231)
7b y-Jermaine Haley (232) DT Butte College
(from Detroit in '99 draft trade-down)
7c z-Joe Wong (244) T Brigham Young
(compensatory pick from NFL)
x - did not appear in a game in '99
y - previously under contract with CFL
x - injured reserve '99
2000
1 TO CAROLINA in '98 draft trade-up (23)
2 Todd Wade (53) T Mississippi
3 Ben Kelly (84) CB Colorado
4 Deon Dyer (117) FB North Carolina
5 Arturo Freeman (152) S South Carolina
6a Ernest Grant (167) DT Arkansas-Pine Bluff
(from Cleveland for Karim Abdul-Jabbar)
6b TO KANSAS CITY in '99 draft trade-down (188)
7a TO SAN FRANCISCO for Jim Druckenmiller (230)
7b x-Jeff Harris (232) CB Georgia
(from Chicago for Brent Bartholomew)
x - injured reserve '00
2001
1 Jamar Fletcher (26) CB Wisconsin
2 Chris Chambers (52) WR Wisconsin
3a Travis Minor (85) RB Florida State
3b Morlon Greenwood (88) LB Syracuse
5 Shawn Draper (156) T Alabama
6a Brandon Winey (164) T Louisiana State
6b Josh Heupel (177) QB Oklahoma
6c Otis Leverette (187) DE Alabama-Birmingham
6d Rick Crowell (188) LB Colorado State
2002
3 Seth McKinney (90) C Texas A&M
4 Randy McMichael (114) TE Georgia
5a Omare Lowe (161) CB Washington
5b Sam Simmons (170) WR Northwestern
7 Leonard Henry (241) RB East Carolina
2003
2 Eddie Moore (49) LB Tennessee
3a Wade Smith (78) LT Memphis
3b Taylor Whitley (87) OG Texas A&M
5a Donald Lee, (156) TE Mississippi St.
5b J.R. Tolver (169) WR San Diego State
6a Corey Jenkins, (181) DB South Carolina
6b Tim Provost, (209) OT San Jose State
6c Yeremiah Bell, (213) S Eastern Kentucky
7 Davern Williams, (248) DT Troy State
I highlighted the players I think were solid draft picks based on what they brought to the team. An average of just over one impact player drafted per year gets a team nowhere fast. I did not count players with brief contributions (a la John Avery, Travis Minor).
Sammy Morris did well in lieu of the Ricky Williams saga, and Wes Welker is having a career year with the Pats. How can you let a couple of players that were so vital to any sort of success slip away? Who will Cleo Lemon throw to? Acquisitions of A.J. Feeley, Daunte Culpepper and Trent Green weren't long term answers. And they continually take risks on players like Cecil Collins and Manny Wright. With a solid draft in 2005, they may have a partial solution, but they fail to reload at key positions (Marino, Taylor, Thomas) when they know star players are coming to the end of their NFL careers.
Years of disappointments is very frustrating for fans. Super Bowl contender labels resulting in 62-0 losses in the playoffs doesn't sit well.
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Quick -- what one-time former first-round draft pick has been cut by three NFL teams in little more than four months?
Well, if your read the title you know the answer.
The Fins have cut safety Donovin Darius. He was first released by the Jags on June 14, and he later signed with the Raiders. And then was cut. And then signed with the Dolphins.
He played in three games, starting in two, since joining the Fins.
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