Cleveland Browns (2008 Season)

[itownbuckeye]

Originally Posted by Buckeyedynasty

I know this is more of a rumor mill thing but.....


From what I've been reading on various places on the internet as well as listening to the radio it appears the Browns are looking into shipping DA to the Vikings for picks....possibly their 1st and maybe some later picks. The Browns may be willing to trade him for less than the 1st and 3rd that they were asking for before. Again take it for what it's worth.

I really hope that turns out to be true. I don't think DA's a bad QB but I don't think he'll ever be a great QB either. He's just not accurate enough and this was not his first time throwing a lot of interceptions in a season. In his senior year of college he completed only 54% of his passes and threw 17 interceptions.

Low completion percentage and lots of interceptions just like this year with the Browns. There is a reason why a guy with his ability doesn't get drafted until the 6th round. His big arm is both a blessing and a curse, he might win you some games but he'll also lose some by trying to force the issue. A playoff/championship contender needs someone more steady than that. DA's performance in Cincy cost the Browns a playoff spot. I was at that game and it wasn't that windy inside the stadium. Even if you want to argue about the conditions, I'll say the majority of his interceptions were caused by bad decisions and inaccurate throws.

If they can get a 1st and a later pick for DA, I'll be ecstatic. I would probably even take 2 2nd's or a 2nd and a 3rd. I really don't think any team would have given up a 1st and 3rd. With a good surrounding cast and what I've seen of Quinn(both college & pro), I'm not too worried about him being a bust. They can find a solid backup for a lot cheaper than DA and spend that money in other need areas.

[Buckeyedynasty]

Originally Posted by LitlBuck

Don't know that much about Williams will have to look him up. I would greedy like to get back into the first round.

On a side note, I was reading a post from a Green Bay fan and he said that Williams is a little inconsistent but that they also ran a 4-3 in Green Bay. Also says that we only have to give up a #3 not a #2. I guess I will have to do some research.

That's the funny thing. For every time I see that we have to give up our 2nd round pick, I've seen a report that it is actually our 3rd round pick. If that's the case and we still have our 2nd round pick than I'll be okay if we can't trade DA. Then we would have DA for starter or depth, 2nd round pick to get best player available to fill our needs and we'd have a great lineman in williams. Plus who knows what we still may do in free agency.

[itownbuckeye]

Originally Posted by Buckeyedynasty

That's the funny thing. For every time I see that we have to give up our 2nd round pick, I've seen a report that it is actually our 3rd round pick. If that's the case and we still have our 2nd round pick than I'll be okay if we can't trade DA. Then we would have DA for starter or depth, 2nd round pick to get best player available to fill our needs and we'd have a great lineman in williams. Plus who knows what we still may do in free agency.

Even if they gave a 2nd round pick, Williams is likely going to have a bigger impact on the team than anyone else they could have drafted there.

[Buckeyedynasty]

Browns lining up more visits

by Tony Grossi

Friday February 29, 2008, 3:07 PM


Exhaling from an exhilarating start to free agency ...
* The Browns are being visited today by Tennessee defensive end Travis LaBoy and New England receiver Donte Stallworth. Newly acquired defensive end Corey Williams also is in the house. Their arrivals were delayed by bad weather. The team is expecting two more free agent visits tonight and even more on Saturday. All are dependent on the weather.
* Stallworth is another receiver represented by Drew Rosenhaus, who is trying to get a new deal for Kellen Winslow. Rosenhaus and Browns GM Phil Savage, incidentally, have a good working relationship.

cleveland.com: Everything Cleveland

[3074326]

Originally Posted by Buckeyedynasty

How many of you would be for this sign and trade?
DA for Pat Williams and a 2nd round pick. Browns get another DL and Vikes get their QB, both take big cap hit but that's the only way that sign and trades work is if you do it with another team that would be in a similar cap hit situation.

I'm not a Browns fan, but Pat Williams and a second rounder would be a tremendous deal. I'd take that trade over a first and third any day. Pat Williams has proven that he's a very good DT, and you still get a second rounder.

Is that a rumor, or are you just asking?

[Buckeyedynasty]

Originally Posted by 3074326

I'm not a Browns fan, but Pat Williams and a second rounder would be a tremendous deal. I'd take that trade over a first and third any day. Pat Williams has proven that he's a very good DT, and you still get a second rounder.

Is that a rumor, or are you just asking?

A little from column A and a little from column B.

[LitlBuck]

Originally Posted by Buckeyedynasty

* The Browns are being visited today by Tennessee defensive end Travis LaBoy and New England receiver Donte Stallworth. Newly acquired defensive end Corey Williams also is in the house.

Not sure if I want Stallworth. Think there are better free-agent WRs that we might be able to get... just not sure.

Re: Williams and the draft choice that we have to give up. Been reading a couple posts above it says that he was tendered and that the Browns will have to sign him. I'm not sure about the difference between a guy being tendered or having the franchise tag put on him. If it is the same thing, the draft choice that the Browns might have to give up might be based on the contract that he signs with the Browns. I just don't know if there's a difference when it comes to draft choices if a guy is tagged or tendered.

I want to know who is coming in over the weekend!

[LitlBuck]

I don't want Pat Williams from Minnesota. He is 36 years old. That's all I needed to know.

[NFBuck]

Originally Posted by LitlBuck

To say that would be the worst move in Cleveland Browns history I don't think you know much about their history. Do you remember a guy by the name of Paul Warfield? I won't even bring up Butch Davis and the fiasco drafts of previous coaches. Mike Junkin? Do you remember him? How many more moves do you one to tell you about.

Clifford Charlton? Craig Powell? Andre Rison? Head Coach Chris Palmer? Nearly every pick from '99-'03 (Guess that's kinda blanketed by Butchie). Yeah, there's lots...

[LitlBuck]

KFFL - Hot off the Wire - NFL Breaking News, Notes and Fantasy Football Information


Excellent site for all free-agent signings and visits for all NFL teams.
The Cleveland Browns will meet with free-agent LB Nick Greisen (Ravens) Saturday, March 1.

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Browns | Team to meet with LaBoy
Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:45:16 -0800
NFL.com reports the Cleveland Browns will meet with unrestricted free-agent DE Travis LaBoy (Titans).

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Browns | Team to meet with Stallworth
Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:42:49 -0800
John Tomase, of the Boston Herald, reports the Cleveland Browns will meet with free-agent WR Donte' Stallworth (Patriots). A specific date for the meeting has not been set.

[OH10]

Originally Posted by Buckeyedynasty

Look DA may turn out to be a Hall of Fame QB and maybe he won't. My only point on the situation is that now the Browns don't have a pick until round 3.

Considering the Browns' penchant for draft pick busts, why is everyone so high on making sure we get into the draft? I don't think its a great draft anyway. If you pick up Williams from GB for second or third-rounder, it's a win.

I don't see what's so wrong with the Browns hedging their bets by keeping both QBs on the roster. If one of these guys really is the next Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, you wouldn't be able to tell me which one with a straight face. So keep them both, evaluate them a little bit longer, and increase your chances of shoring up the most important position on the team for the next 10+ years. It's a lot better than risking losing the guy that could be a great quarterback just for a draft pick that could flop anyway.

[Piney]

Originally Posted by LitlBuck

Re: Williams and the draft choice that we have to give up. Been reading a couple posts above it says that he was tendered and that the Browns will have to sign him. I'm not sure about the difference between a guy being tendered or having the franchise tag put on him. If it is the same thing, the draft choice that the Browns might have to give up might be based on the contract that he signs with the Browns. I just don't know if there's a difference when it comes to draft choices if a guy is tagged or tendered.

I want to know who is coming in over the weekend!

It is just like how DA was offered the tender for a restricted free agent. For franchise players they can sign a 1 year tender that is the average of the top 5 at that position? (can't recall the amount) For example Lance Briggs signed the 1 year tender so he could be unrestricted this year.

But it is just a 1 year contract with no frills (so if traded there is no cap hit)

[TS10HTW]

Originally Posted by OH10

Considering the Browns' penchant for draft pick busts, why is everyone so high on making sure we get into the draft? I don't think its a great draft anyway. If you pick up Williams from GB for second or third-rounder, it's a win.

I don't see what's so wrong with the Browns hedging their bets by keeping both QBs on the roster. If one of these guys really is the next Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, you wouldn't be able to tell me which one with a straight face. So keep them both, evaluate them a little bit longer, and increase your chances of shoring up the most important position on the team for the next 10+ years. It's a lot better than risking losing the guy that could be a great quarterback just for a draft pick that could flop anyway.

but it makes the first day of the draft alot less interesting if you're only looking at a 3rd round pick.

I can tell you with a straight face that neither one of these guys is a manning or Brady....but definitely a Quinn or an Anderson

[BuckeyeMike80]

Originally Posted by Buckeyedynasty

Look DA may turn out to be a Hall of Fame QB and maybe he won't. My only point on the situation is that now the Browns don't have a pick until round 3. DA cost us absolutely nothing by getting him on waivers and to be able to cash in on his great year by having the possibility of getting a 1st and 3rd round pick for a guy that cost us nothing that is a deal you take the risk on. Chances are great that he will not turn out to be a Hall of Fame QB. You'd pick up 2 players the Browns really need at other positions. I don't see why letting DA go via free-agency is such a hard thing for people to believe.

On a side note there are many people that find it fishy that DA and the Browns agreed to a contract all of a sudden. Plenty of people are speculating that now Savage will look to trade him and ship his contract to another team for picks. We shall see......

GO BROWNIES! WOOF, WOOF, WOOF!

But that wasn't exclusively due to the DA deal.

I kind of get the feeling that DA decided to tell the Browns no at midnight (or whenever last night) and test the waters really quickly.

He was lucky no bridges were burned because I'm guessing no one was really biting since he was tendered.

[LitlBuck]

Originally Posted by Piney

It is just like how DA was offered the tender for a restricted free agent. For franchise players they can sign a 1 year tender that is the average of the top 5 at that position? (can't recall the amount) For example Lance Briggs signed the 1 year tender so he could be unrestricted this year.

But it is just a 1 year contract with no frills (so if traded there is no cap hit)

We are miscommunicating I think. Williams had the franchise tag put on him for this year for all round $6.1 mil. The Browns trade for him and I guess he will have to sign a contract with the Browns. What determines what draft choice the Browns have to give Green Bay? The amount that the Browns sign him for or something else. What would happen if the Browns cannot sign him. Is this trade a done deal?

Well I have to write Gene Upshaw to get my answer