Cleveland Browns (2009 Season)

[BuckNut65]

Originally Posted by Bucklion

Mangini said today they are not looking to move Quinn at all...I am wondering if he is maybe thinking he'll be dealt in the offseason, considering it takes 6 months or so on average to sell a house.

It's a $775,000 house in Cleveland. He may be here awhile.

[exhawg]

Originally Posted by Bucklion

Mangini said today they are not looking to move Quinn at all...I am wondering if he is maybe thinking he'll be dealt in the offseason, considering it takes 6 months or so on average to sell a house.

Don't forget this is Brady Quinn. I'm sure he'll hold out to try to get more value for his house than it is worth so it will be a few years before it sells. It will be a happy day with the last of the 3 hated picks is gone. I'm holding out hope that Al Davis is creaming over him. Maybe he'll fire Cable, hire Weis, and trade his first round pick to Cleveland for Quinn.

[LitlBuck]

I personally wouldn't care if they traded both Anderson and Quinn and let Mangini's boy Ratliff started at QB. I really don't think that Quinn has had a fair shot but if they do get rid of him before next Tuesday I certainly hope that Mangini doesn't go out and get more has-beens from the Jets.

[Buckrock]

Originally Posted by LitlBuck

I personally wouldn't care if they traded both Anderson and Quinn and let Mangini's boy Ratliff started at QB. I really don't think that Quinn has had a fair shot but if they do get rid of him before next Tuesday I certainly hope that Mangini doesn't go out and get more has-beens from the Jets.

I was a fan of Brady but after seeing him immitate Charlie Frye by not getting rid of the ball, I changed my tune. He struggled. DA gets rid of the ball. We get the great DA one week and a suck $ss DA the next. It's something we will have to live with.

We definately need a QB in the draft. I'm all for McCoy then Bradford. Hang onto DA, trade Brady in April and draft a QB. DA gives us the best chance to win. He also comes relatively cheap for a starting QB. Brady Quinn's contract had much to do with his being benched. There was no way the Browns were going to let him take 70% of the snaps, struggle, learn, and make $ 11M. I still thinks he plays toward the end of the season or if the bad DA coninues to show up.

[LitlBuck]

Originally Posted by Buckrock

I was a fan of Brady but after seeing him immitate Charlie Frye by not getting rid of the ball, I changed my tune. He struggled. DA gets rid of the ball. We get the great DA one week and a suck DA the next. It's something we will have to live with.

We definately need a QB in the draft. I'm all for McCoy then Bradford. Hang onto DA, trade Brady in April and draft a QB. DA gives us the best chance to win. He also comes relatively cheap for a starting QB. Brady Quinn's contract had much to do with his being benched. There was no way the Browns were going to let him take 70% of the snaps, struggle, learn, and make $ 11M. I still thinks he plays toward the end of the season or if the bad DA coninues to show up.

if you are correct, and you might be, about Quinn not playing because of the money I have lost any respect that I had for the Browns management. After hearing what Bentley said about us not having any guys who can go deep, I really don't know if Anderson gives us the best shot at winning and I don't think that Bentley was just blowing smoke.

I'm not sure if I want to draft another QB when we have so many other needs but we can't talk about that after this season is over.

[Bucks21]

No offense Lilbuc but your putting way to much emphasis on what Bentley has said. I had high expectations for Quinn and all he did was hold on to the ball and check down. He can't throw down field period/seems scared to. Not like it matters the Browns are in shambles right now.

[exhawg]

I think the Browns have enough holes that it would be a waste to draft a QB with the first pick next year. DA is hit or miss, but IMO they would be best to go with him for the rest of his contract and try to build the rest of the team. If they do a good job in the draft next year they might have enough potential in a couple years to worry about a first round QB. I'd trade Quinn for whatever they think is a good enough deal, most likely in the spring. He needs to lose the fear of making a mistake before he will have a chance at playing, but I don't know if he's capable of getting the ball down the field.
I haven't heard what Bentley said, but I think Cribbs does have a place on the offense for maybe 10 plays a game. Besides that let him focus on ST and for God's sake pay the kid some extra $$$ for being the best ST player in the league.
I hope they get everyone who could have a catch thrown to them on the Jugs machine this week catching fastballs so they are used to DA's ball. he was 2 for 17, but he also had 6 blatant drops, which can't happen anymore. If putting 8 of 17 balls where the receiver should catch the ball is DA's bad day I'll take it because you know he'll come back and have a good game in the near future.

[LitlBuck]

Originally Posted by exhawg

I think the Browns have enough holes that it would be a waste to draft a QB with the first pick next year. DA is hit or miss, but IMO they would be best to go with him for the rest of his contract and try to build the rest of the team. If they do a good job in the draft next year they might have enough potential in a couple years to worry about a first round QB. I'd trade Quinn for whatever they think is a good enough deal, most likely in the spring. He needs to lose the fear of making a mistake before he will have a chance at playing, but I don't know if he's capable of getting the ball down the field.
I haven't heard what Bentley said, but I think Cribbs does have a place on the offense for maybe 10 plays a game. Besides that let him focus on ST and for God's sake pay the kid some extra $$$ for being the best ST player in the league.
I hope they get everyone who could have a catch thrown to them on the Jugs machine this week catching fastballs so they are used to DA's ball. he was 2 for 17, but he also had 6 blatant drops, which can't happen anymore. If putting 8 of 17 balls where the receiver should catch the ball is DA's bad day I'll take it because you know he'll come back and have a good game in the near future.

See my post on page 140 post #1540 and one a couple below that specifically regarding Joshua.

[jlb1705]

I'm sticking with my opinion that outside of Eric Berry, the Browns should use all their other picks on players that weigh 275 lbs. or more. Since I don't see a Jared Lorenzen in this draft, I don't want a QB.

Outside of Joe Thomas & Shaun Rogers no position should be safe on the lines and they should be trying to upgrade and increase depth. It's futile to try to plug the rest of the holes until the problems are taken care of there.

[BuckNut65]

DA has a quick release and can get the ball down the field. He is good for an interception or 2 every game but he has enough experience by now to at least give you a chance to win. I'm not sure what happened with Quinn...he looked like a deer in headlights out there.
The Browns don't need to be blowing another top pick on a QB. Any good team has strength up the middle, especially on defense. Who do we have other than Shaun Rogers? We need to get some playmakers at the LB and S position but what else is new. Eric Berry would be great...not sure they would use a top 3 pick on him however. When was the last time someone used a pick that high on a safety? What pick was Don Rogers when the Browns drafted him?

[exhawg]

Originally Posted by jlb1705

I'm sticking with my opinion that outside of Eric Berry, the Browns should use all their other picks on players that weigh 275 lbs. or more. Since I don't see a Jared Lorenzen in this draft, I don't want a QB.

Outside of Joe Thomas & Shaun Rogers no position should be safe on the lines and they should be trying to upgrade and increase depth. It's futile to try to plug the rest of the holes until the problems are taken care of there.

I agree with this, but I wouldn't turn down a bad ass ILB if one fell into the Browns lap. I also think that Mack will turn into a decent pro center so that is a position that I wouldn't worry about fixing. I'd worry about the right side of the OL and the DE's. If they can get that game changing DB in the first round they have my blessing.

[jlb1705]

Looks like Sean Taylor was the highest draft pick used on a Safety over the last ten years. He went fifth.

Several others, such as Roy Williams, Donte Whitner, Michael Huff & LaRon Landry all went in the top-10.

I think Berry has the potential to be drafted in the same area that Taylor was. I think his talent and production merit it. I don't really care if the Browns get "good value" or pick somebody who's "supposed" to go in that spot. I want them to get the best player they can, and don't really care if he otherwise would've gone fifteenth if the Browns hadn't picked him at three. This team needs an infusion of talent and production, not value.

[exhawg]

Originally Posted by LitlBuck

He also said that the Browns OL is all screwed up and that in the NFL there are really two sides of the line. The left side of the line is usually the Finesse side and that is where you put your pass blockers which he said that the Browns did have and said that Joe Thomas was probably the second best left tackle in the NFL. He said that the right side of the line is supposed to be the power side of the OL and that's where the Browns are extremely weak. I didn't play in the NFL so I why have to take Bentley at his word and leave that comment up to the guys who are more knowledgeable about offensive line play in the NFL.

I don't know if this is always the case. It probably works out that way for most right handed QB's because you want your best pass protection on the blindside. It is much easier to find a couple road graders that might not be the best at pass protection on the right side. I would guess any teams that are built around lefty QB's would be reverse. I bet the Cowboy's line back in the early 90's were pretty much dominate on both sides and could do whatever they wanted. The right side of the Browns line is so bad that they need to rely on the 3 guys on the left side to do it all.
Not really related, but when I played in college they moved our bad ass left tackle down to guard and put me in at tackle I was definitely a finesse tackle that was much better as pass pro than run blocking, but that got our best run blockers next to each other on the other side of the line so I guess we fit LB's idea of what a line should be like except our best 2 blockers were at LG and RT. Worked well for Power right.

[jlb1705]

Originally Posted by exhawg

I agree with this, but I wouldn't turn down a bad ass ILB if one fell into the Browns lap. I also think that Mack will turn into a decent pro center so that is a position that I wouldn't worry about fixing. I'd worry about the right side of the OL and the DE's. If they can get that game changing DB in the first round they have my blessing.

I excluded Mack because he has to earn it. I'm not saying the Browns should plan to pull a Butch Davis and use high draft picks in consecutive years on a center - but if they get into the mid to late rounds and the best lineman on the board is an center or a center/guard type they shouldn't hesitate to get him. The guy could either take Mack's spot or provide depth.

[jlb1705]

I say they trade Ryan Pontbriand to the Bengals for their 2010 and 2011 first rounders.