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Old 09-18-2009, 07:05 PM
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Record in games against top 10 opponent (15 games): 7-8 .467
Record in games against top 5 opponents (12 games): 4-8 .333

I keep seeing the argument that the offense may be ugly but it wins.

This data would seem to support the conclusion that it makes for ugly wins against inferior opponents and losses more often than not to equal or better opponents.


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Record in games against top 10 opponent (15 games): 7-8 .467
Record in games against top 5 opponents (12 games): 4-8 .333

I keep seeing the argument that the offense may be ugly but it wins.

This data would seem to support the conclusion that it makes for ugly wins against inferior opponents and losses more often than not to equal or better opponents.


Wassamatter Jax, 5 straight losses to teams rated #3 or higher got you wishing for the Cooper years when the Buckeyes moved the football like it was nothing and would drop a game to a team which was inferior talent-wise?

Where was the problem when Big Game Tress was 11-2 in such contests?

42-7 against an inferior Michigan not 'pretty' enough for you?

I'm not sure I understand...
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Wassamatter Jax, 5 straight losses to teams rated #3 or higher got you wishing for the Cooper years when the Buckeyes moved the football like it was nothing and would drop a game to a team which was inferior talent-wise?

Where was the problem when Big Game Tress was 11-2 in such contests?

42-7 against an inferior Michigan not 'pretty' enough for you?

I'm not sure I understand...

If he's 7-8 for his career against top 10 teams how do you get to 11-2?

As far as the rest of it its nonsense. Make up something I didn't say, embellish the hell out of it then rail against it. LJB school of junior high debate team 101.

Your own data shows he has a losing record against top 10 teams. My assertion is that the ultra conservative/ineffectual offense isn't the recipe for success some make it out to be when the other team is just as good or better than you. The data would seem to support it.

In fact your fearless leader said the same thing himself:

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If JT needs to learn one thing, it is this - you can't use Tresselball to beat teams that are better than you are.
Everyone thought the same thing said by him was GPA worthy. Go figure.
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If he's 7-8 for his career against top 10 teams how do you get to 11-2?
Ummm... because I can count. So... was there a problem when Tress was 11-2 in big games? I don't recall you ranting and raving about it pre-Florida BCS loss...
Edit: I'm counting all "big games" not just top 10... maybe that's the difference?
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As far as the rest of it its nonsense. Make up something I didn't say, embellish the hell out of it then rail against it. LJB school of junior high debate team 101.
I didn't say you said anything...
I asked you if 42-7 was pretty enough?
I asked you if you preferred Coops high flying offenses, even when it meant dropping a game to an inferior opponent?

I'll assume you're upset with LJB. Perhaps you oughta take it up with him, not me.

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Your own data shows he has a losing record against top 10 teams. My assertion is that the ultra conservative/ineffectual offense isn't the recipe for success some make it out to be when the other team is just as good or better than you. The data would seem to support it.
Did I say your conclusion was incorrect? I asked you three questions, and your answer has been to fly in to a rage.
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In fact your fearless leader said the same thing himself:



Everyone thought the same thing said by him was GPA worthy. Go figure.
Again, if you've got a problem with LJB, take it up with him. I don't know what I've done to [censored] you off, though, much less to make you think LJB is my "fearless leader"

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Krenzel is questioning the offense and daring to go back past Saturdays game to do so? Someone better tell him he's a spoiled, idiot, nit picker and not a real fan anymore.
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In fact your fearless leader said the same thing himself:
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Everyone thought the same thing said by him was GPA worthy. Go figure.
Which junior high team are you representing with your posting style? I'd hate to give you the wrong label.
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Which junior high team are you representing with your posting style? I'd hate to give you the wrong label.

When does the rest of the gang get here?
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What the [censored] is your problem Jax?
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What the [censored] is your problem Jax?

None on my end (except with the offense). How about you?
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None on my end (except with the offense). How about you?
Well, it sure seems like you've got a problem when you're accusing me of putting words in your mouth and railing about LJB's army and my role in it, rather than answering the questions I asked you.
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You know, Jaxbuck is a real trip - he complains that Tressel never changes his offense ... but Jaxbuck never changes his posts. They're all the same! Great debating technique - he must have learned it straight from Cicero.
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http://wearesc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92907
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Time for a new coach?


I am a long time Trojan fan, going back to 1975. I have seen quite a few USC games,
on TV and in person.

I am just tossing that out there, since this is my first post I will be ignored and ridiculed as "whatever newbie nice first post go home". I do know a little about USC and what I am talking about.

I have seen alot of USC losses, but this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen.
Wahington is a glorified high school team that was 0-12 last year. USC just lost to a
1-13 team. How is that even possible? USC, with every top player in the USA, losing to (basically) a high school football team.

And I am sorry, yes I know the Ohio st. game was rough, blah blah..but, this game still should not of ever been in doubt. Even without Matt Barkley at QB.

So, what conclusions do we draw from this, as logical people?

1. USC will not been considered for the NC again for years.
We were already the running joke on ESPN about "when is the USC yearly clunker coming?" It's going to be 100X worse now. Let's face it, USC is the laughingstock
of college football. The prize fighter with the glass jaw. Every #1 scout.com player at his position that loses to Washington and UCLA and Stanford.

2. This season is over
Goodbye NC 2010...A loss to ND or Ohio St. would of been acceptable...a loss to
1-13 Washington is not. Those of you who are going to chose to stay with USC as fans and endure this every year( I am not) prepare yourself for 4 more months of USC bashing on TV and another year next year of the same thing complete with loss to..
Arizona? Washington St.?

3. USC fans need to stop saying USC should be #1
LSU killed this same team in Washington, they led 31-17 most of the game and
it wasn't that close. And LSU is not even the best team in the SEC. Sorry folks, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, would of killed Washington. I really hope no one here is going to make USC look stupid around November and post how USC is "The best team in the country"

4. Maybe it's time to pull PC aside and see what his problem is
Losing one of these ridiculous mis matches is understandable..twice..well , it 's a crazy world..3 and 4 and 5 times, is a problem. Obviously, Pete Carroll cannot motivate his team to get concerned about the games vs. the bottom feeders, or game plan for them. It all starts with the coach. And unfortunately, Carroll is too busy/too egotistical/whatever, that he can get his team to beat Ohio st but not Washington.
What good is all this talent going to do us if we never win the NC and are a running
joke on ESPN??

5. The "Pete Carroll dynasty" is over
Gone today folks. mark it down on your calender. The announcers even said it on TV.
Just too many losses like this, to has beens and also rans...a "Dynasty" just doesn't
lose games to Stanford and Washington and UCLA. Let's face the facts. This is always
going to be a good team, but never going to win the NC. Just not good enough to avoid losing every year to a poor team. Above average, yes..."dynasty"? no.
If you look real hard at USC since Bush/Leinart left, there isn't much that is impressive. Losses to Oregon, a very poor UCLA team, a really bad STanford team, a 1-13 Washington team...beating up on weak Big 10 teams in the Rose bowl. And what is going to make it worse, Washington is going to go about 2-9 this year, with every loss dragging USC down further. Possibly time to move Carroll to a "director of recruiting" position and bring in new coach? Just putting the idea out there.

Anyway, good luck to all of you masochists who are going to continue to be USC fans
and deal with the star studded USC team losing to Portland St. every year...

Looks like the honeymoon may be over for CPC too....
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Looks like the honeymoon may be over for CPC too....
Just goes to show how [censored]ing bonkers CFB fans are. I made a statement that tOSU fans are incredibly spoiled and don't realize how good they have it last week. I should've thrown in a disclaimer that this wasn't limited to fans of the Buckeye!!!!!!!!11!!1!!
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Just goes to show how [censored]ing bonkers CFB fans are. I made a statement that tOSU fans are incredibly spoiled and don't realize how good they have it last week. I should've thrown in a disclaimer that this wasn't limited to fans of the Buckeye!!!!!!!!11!!1!!

OK. Fine. But let's give them credit where credit is due.

Not one. I repeat...not one...of those posters asked for their $77 back (or $49.95 super special deal). Not one.

Their state is going bankrupt but they still have the courtesy not to mention the refund. Pretty classy stuff, eh?
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Originally Posted by Jaxbuck View Post
Record in games against top 10 opponent (15 games): 7-8 .467
Record in games against top 5 opponents (12 games): 4-8 .333

I keep seeing the argument that the offense may be ugly but it wins.

This data would seem to support the conclusion that it makes for ugly wins against inferior opponents and losses more often than not to equal or better opponents.


I get your point man, I think we all do. What is your solution to the problem? Fire Tressel? If we do that, hire who?
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