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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

Discussion in 'College Football' started by Mike80, Jul 26, 2007.


Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  1. Boston College

    29 vote(s)
  2. Cincinnati

    17 vote(s)
  3. Connecticut

    6 vote(s)
  4. Duke

    17 vote(s)
  5. Georgia Tech

    50 vote(s)
  6. Kansas

    43 vote(s)
  7. Maryland

    66 vote(s)
  8. Missouri

    91 vote(s)
  9. North Carolina

    27 vote(s)
  10. Notre Dame

    195 vote(s)
  11. Oklahoma

    72 vote(s)
  12. Pittsburgh

    41 vote(s)
  13. Rutgers

    38 vote(s)
  14. Syracuse

    17 vote(s)
  15. Texas

    118 vote(s)
  16. Vanderbilt

    13 vote(s)
  17. Virginia

    38 vote(s)
  18. Virginia Tech

    58 vote(s)
  19. Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    24 vote(s)
  20. Add some other school(s) not listed

    14 vote(s)
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Muck

    Muck Enjoy Every Sandwich Staff Member

    Look at my post right above yours.
  2. Woody1968

    Woody1968 Agent Provocateur

    Something not mentioned in any of these posts is that the Mid Atlantic is probably the ACC's best recruiting area. They already share MD and NJ with Ped State, but the Tidewater area is pretty much locked up. If the B1G takes UVA and UNC, a lot of talent from that area will be heading into the B1G, and the ACC will be left fighting the SEC for kids from Georgia and Florida. Gee, I wonder how that will work out.
  3. Muck

    Muck Enjoy Every Sandwich Staff Member

    To be honest I think the chance of Virginia & UNC jumping to the B1G are right about zero or a little lower.

    Davey's point about shifting demographics is valid I just think that people greatly overestimate it's influence. I also think that the assumptions that the population shift will continue indefinitely are wrong.
  4. DaveyBoy

    DaveyBoy Our Honor Defend

    Nebraska is a shell of its former self......on the field and on the recruiting trails. It is decent and maybe even good. I hope they are turning the corner this year to becoming a true challenge to OSU and Michigan in their usual forms. Those Texas players on their roster were either there before the departure from the Big12 or are 2 and 3 star players......not what they used to have. Nebraska traditionally recruited California, Florida, and the Northeast very well. But they aren't the national draw they were before and that is indisputable.

    In the last 5 years, Bama alone has had more players drafted in the NFL than all of those teams combined, I bet. It seems half the first rounders are SEC players now.

    The last 10 years haven't been kind to the BigTen. In case you haven't noticed, the SEC is starting to out recruit the BigTen for elite players in the Big Ten states. I only see Ohio State and Michigan being able go toe to toe with the SEC in BigTen territory on a consistent basis. Missouri can now recruit stronger in the BigTen region selling "big boy football". I'm not saying I like it, but that's precisely what the SEC is selling .

    What does the number of players on ND from California vs Illinois have to do with this? ND once owned Chicago and Cincinnati recruiting. It owns Cincinnati already and can get any elite prospect from Chicago that it wants. You used 10 of the worst years of ND football ever for your comparison.

    The BigTen region getting picked apart for elite prospects . The population is either declining or growing much slower than the sunbelt states. The racial statistics don't favor the Midwest at all either.

    We need to sell our revenues which lead to great facilities and coaches. We need to open up recruiting grounds to our mid-tier teams. OSU and Mich can recruit nationally.....Nebraska can do OK nationally if they find a coach. But unless they hire coaching staffs from another region, the mid-tier B1G teams are going to struggle on the recruiting trail vs other conferences and get out recruited in their backyard for elite players.

  5. Woody1968

    Woody1968 Agent Provocateur

    I wouldn't say zero, but I agree, this is not happening.
  6. DaveyBoy

    DaveyBoy Our Honor Defend

    I agree that UVa and UNC are real long shots. They would be great additions.

    But unless the rest of the BigTen starts hiring better coaches, the conference is going to suck outside of 3 or 4 teams every year. The conference needs more money to do this unfortunately. With the BTN, conference expansion into huge TV markets is easy $

  7. Muck

    Muck Enjoy Every Sandwich Staff Member

    The crux of your argument is "I bet" & "it seems".

    Nebraska's worst decade means permanent doom while Notre Dame's isn't relevant. Five years ago Alabama was a 'shell of its former self' and ten years ago Texas was.

    Northern kids aren't fleeing to the SEC in droves anymore than Southern players are coming north.

    Yes the south is growing faster but the north still has a significant population advantage. Meanwhile the overall migration has slowed, completely reversed in some States (Louisiana & Florida) and the faster grower (North Carolina) isn't an SEC state at all.

    Hyperbolic sky is falling predictions aside, the bottom line is that the B1G region is still producing as much talent as that of the SEC and is quite capable of supporting four programs playing at a level competing for national titles.
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2012
  8. DaveyBoy

    DaveyBoy Our Honor Defend

    Good points .

    The difference between Nebraska and Notre Dame is that for decades Nebraska was defined by how it did vs its key rival Oklahoma. The Big12 killed the OU/NU rivalry and that hurts Nebraska to this day. It simply doesn't have a real rival with a quality program......yet. Meanwhile, ND has maintained it's NBC contract, it's rivalry with USC, and its aura or being special. ND is on the steep upswing......NU is doing decently but a notch or two below ND.

    The South has a lot more elite prospects in its region than the BigTen. It can afford to lose some. The BigTen mid-tier teams can't afford that. Bama starts two Ohio kids. LSU always has 1 or 2 elite Midwestern kids. Texas and Oklahoma and even Florida State heavily recruit the midwest's elite kids.

    The demographics include population in total and by age, race, and socioeconomic background. Big cities in the South play a lot more football than big cities in the north where basketball is king.

    I fully agree that trends eventually reverse. I do think in the long run, the Midwest will be steady. But, bluntly, the concentration of blacks in the South trumps any number of farm boys in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Minnesota.

  9. jlb1705

    jlb1705 Undefeated in 2015 Staff Member Bookie

    Starting to look like this thing might have legs:

    Yahoo/Pat Forde: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaab--maryland--rutgers-in-serious-talks-about-move-to-big-ten.html

  10. Saw31

    Saw31 High Seas Rogue

    BTN better invest is some bigger cash registers...
  11. Woody1968

    Woody1968 Agent Provocateur

    Would rather have Syracuse than Rutgers, but this may get RCN NY/NJ to carry the Big Ten Network.

    (I have RCN)
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2012
  12. jlb1705

    jlb1705 Undefeated in 2015 Staff Member Bookie


  13. Jake

    Jake arrogant bastard

    Maybe...but I live in Ohio and don't get BTN. But my cable company (Armstrong) is based in Maryland so hope springs eternal.
  14. Muck

    Muck Enjoy Every Sandwich Staff Member

  15. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

    Rutgers isn't all that bad, they beat the fucking Bearcraps today.


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