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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

Discussion in 'College Football' started by Mike80, Jul 26, 2007.


Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  1. Boston College

    29 vote(s)
  2. Cincinnati

    17 vote(s)
  3. Connecticut

    6 vote(s)
  4. Duke

    17 vote(s)
  5. Georgia Tech

    50 vote(s)
  6. Kansas

    43 vote(s)
  7. Maryland

    66 vote(s)
  8. Missouri

    91 vote(s)
  9. North Carolina

    27 vote(s)
  10. Notre Dame

    195 vote(s)
  11. Oklahoma

    72 vote(s)
  12. Pittsburgh

    41 vote(s)
  13. Rutgers

    38 vote(s)
  14. Syracuse

    17 vote(s)
  15. Texas

    118 vote(s)
  16. Vanderbilt

    13 vote(s)
  17. Virginia

    38 vote(s)
  18. Virginia Tech

    58 vote(s)
  19. Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    24 vote(s)
  20. Add some other school(s) not listed

    14 vote(s)
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Buckeyeskickbuttocks

    Buckeyeskickbuttocks Z --> Z^2 + c Staff Member

    The "No Room Left at the Big People's Table Conference"
  2. bassbuckeye07

    bassbuckeye07 Junior

    Yeah I wasnt serious....it would make no sense but.....if the SEC joined with the B1G and called themselves the BEC then divided the divisions into the Union and Confederacy you would have somthing
  3. ORD_Buckeye

    ORD_Buckeye Wrong glass, Sir.

  4. Muck

    Muck Enjoy Every Sandwich Staff Member

    What does that have to do with NCAA BB tournament credits?

    Edit: OK it looks like if they dissolve the league each team gets to keep their credits. So that would be far more attractive than the BB splitting off (where the credits would remain with the league).

    Last edited: Nov 23, 2012
  5. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

    More funny stuff from the M-Zone....

    Big Ten New Pledge Meeting

    Jim Delany stands next to an overhead projector:


    JIM DELANY: Nebraska Cornhuskers.

    A picture pops on the screen:


    JIM DELANY: All in favor?

    Murmurs of agreement from the current Big Ten members.


    PURDUE: We need the dues.


    JIM DELANY: Good. Nebraska is now a pledge to the Big Ten. Next slide, please.


    As Maryland's picture comes up:


    Boos, screams and looks of horror fill the room.


    JIM DELANY: Just a minute! Just a minute! This is Maryland. He's a legacy from the ACC.


    More boos and shouts of disagreement.

    Michigan AD Dave Brandon glances at OSU AD Gene Smith sitting next to him.


    Straightening his "legacy v-neck sweater," Brandon stands and addresses the others:


    DAVE BRANDON: Okay, Maryland is a real loser. That's true. But let's just think back to when you guys got accepted to the Big Ten.


    DAVE BRANDON: Sparty, you had an academic reputation just this side of Eastern Michigan. And Ohio State here, everybody thought that the Buckeyes were brain damaged. I myself was so superior, I asked Minnesota to play for a trophy in a rivalry game then beat them like 70 out of the first 75 times we played. So Maryland is a total loser? Let me tell you the story of another loser...


    They all start throwing beer cans at Brandon.

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  6. Muck

    Muck Enjoy Every Sandwich Staff Member

    On the various Rutgers boards their fans are confident that they are going to come into the B1G & beat up on the middle tier programs. They attribute some of that reasoning to their recruiting compared to B1G schools (and some to the fact that their defense beat up on Cincinnati. :biggrin: ). So of course I decided to go back and look at the last few years recruiting for all of the schools involved.

    Counting all of the kids from the 2010* recruiting class** up through the current commits from the '13 class gives you...


    Some things of note:
    -There is a clear delineation of the conference into 3 ***tiers:
    Jarls - Ohio State, TSUN, Nebraska & Penn State
    Carls - Sparty, Wisconsin, Iowa (+ Rutgers & Maryland)
    Thralls - Northwestern, Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana

    -While Rutgers has been bringing in a similar talent level as the Carls it is certainly not out recruiting them by any stretch.. Rutgers needed 10 more recruits to bring in as many 3 & 4* as Sparty.

    -Maryland fans are not nearly as optimistic about their team's chances competing in the B1G yet Maryland's recruiting is actually very similar to that of Rutgers.

    -PSU's recruiting has dropped off rapidly the past few years while Indiana's is slowly improving (neither of which is obvious unless you look at the year by year numbers).

    -thaKid really nailed it when he continuously pointed out that Illinois has consistently been recruiting at or better than Ohio State's level.

    * 2010 is the earliest class that will have red shirt seniors still around when the new schools join the conference in 2014
    ** Rivals rankings
    ***Instead of the usual Kings/Princes/Knights/Surfs/whatever analogy I went with the medieval Scandinavian social structure as it is a better fit for the 3 tier nature of the B1G:
    Jarls = Nobles
    Carls = free men/land owners
    Thralls = surfs/bondsmen/slaves
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2012
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  7. Muck

    Muck Enjoy Every Sandwich Staff Member

    The Big 10 Conference Outmaneuvered The ACC And It May Not Be Done Yet

    Hey kiddies it's time for another storytime with your favorite hillbilly, Uncle Dude!

    Expansion Update: UNC & Duke Won’t Go Down Without a Fight

    Last edited: Nov 23, 2012
  8. Bleed S & G

    Bleed S & G Taking Crazy Pills


  9. Muck

    Muck Enjoy Every Sandwich Staff Member

    FYI the Dude is WVU's version of PBC, ie he's full of [Mark May]e.

    If NC is seriously on the table they're at the front of the line ahead of Tech.
  10. Mike80

    Mike80 Pretentious Dickhole

    Yep and there's no way FSU was ever on the table either.
  11. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

    Re: Now there are rumors that Virginia, Georgia Tech and even North Carolina could be Big 10-bound, which would be devastating to the ACC. Florida State, which like Maryland voted against the increase in the exit fee to $50 million two months ago, is also looking at the SEC and the Big 12 as possible partners.

    I'd consider the Forbes article in Muck's post a lot more credible.
  12. Mike80

    Mike80 Pretentious Dickhole

    Realignment is just shifting the chairs around so that the haves (including everyone in the CIC) are taken care of and not having to drag the dead weight around of the have-nots, e.g. Cincinnati and Wake Forest.

    This is just putting things back to where they should be - the teams that are big time universities and the true mid-majors are being separated for the most part.
  13. darbypitcher22

    darbypitcher22 Sophmore

    I like Georgia Tech.

    I like Virginia, in most cases.

    The big question is UNC. If that's true and they take UNC, but Penn State doesn't get smacked, where do you go with a 17 team league? You almost have to pick someone else up to move to 18, and then you essentially have 2 leagues in one (for those of you familiar with Columbus, think the Ohio Capital Conference just crammed into two divisions)
  14. MU-Buck

    MU-Buck Newbie

    I really don't see us going to 17...

    We take UVA (they want it if the ACC is crumbling) and UNC (an internal "battle" will end up being in favor of Big Ten over SEC)...

    If PSU gets pummeled by the Federal Government (unlikely but could happen)... We take Pitt. A Pennsylvania AAU school that will help carry the state if PSU fails to exist... And Pitt will join the moment we ask, so no reason to get an insurance policy (a 17th member) when you know you can replace PSU whenever you want to.
  15. zincfinger

    zincfinger Gert Frobe-approved

    I think there are some interesting points raised here. Because, since conference expansion talk started a couple of years back, I've seen a lot of online comments about the enormous benefits of CIC membership, and I suspect some of it is overblown.

    For example, there have been quite a few online comments over the past few years suggesting that CIC membership will lead to a substantial increase in research funding for new members. I'm skeptical that this is true. I'm not an expert on CIC activities by any stretch of the imagination, but I went to graduate school at OSU in a scientific discipline, and our lab got a lot research dollars. Not one of them had anything to do with CIC. I was familiar with the activities of a lot of other campus research labs, and I'm confident the same was true of all of them. Truth be told, during my tenure as a scientific grad student at OSU, I had never heard of the CIC. To the best of my knowledge, CIC has nothing whatsoever to do with obtaining research funding.

    Based on my viewing of the CIC website, it appears that the main activities of the collaboration are, i) facilitating sharing of library resources, ii) facilitating the offering of some intra-member classes and some technology resources, and iii) collective bargaining on common purchases. These may well be good, but they are small potatoes compared to the research budget of any serious research University. And frankly, most labs are going to collaborate with whoever the hell they want, CIC institution based or not.

    My point here isn't to disparage the CIC. But I get the impression that some (and I'm not directing this at ORD - he likely knows more about the CIC than I do), have an outsized view of what the CIC does, and what the advantages of membership are.
    Last edited: Nov 26, 2012

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