Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[cincibuck]

I would rather if the next 2 schools that end up in the B1G are "football schools" As much as I personally despise ND, I have to believe they are in they end game.

In any case.... adding say UVA and UNC -
East
Ohio State
Skunkbear
Sparty
Ped
Virginia
Maryland
Rutgers
North Carolina

West
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Iowa
Minnesota
Purdue
Northwestern
Illinois
Indiana

That's pretty equally balanced, I think (and thinking in terms of football) The east has two "powers" (OSU and you know who) as does the West (Neby and Wisky (though, this assumes Wisky is here to stay, long term, which I'm not sure I can believe)) and 4 teams which are reasonably likely to win the division any given season (OSU, Skunk, Ped (sanctions notwithstanding), Sparty) as does the West - if you assume one of Purdue Northwestern or Illinois can have the occasional strong year or two. Then, there's the bottom feeders, although, when they cheat Carolina can field a pretty good football team...

Thinking in terms of Basketball, the East is clearly stronger, but the West doesn't look like bullshit.

To my eyes the East looks loaded - depending upon what happens to Penn State- possibly overloaded. I can see no way, long run, that Wisconsin and Nebraska balance out against Ohio State and Michigan and I wouldn't count PSU just yet. In 4 years they could bounce back.

 

[OhioSt88]

Yellow Jackets

This expansion has been about bringing tradition, academic standards and geography to the Bug Ten. Rutgers was always a no brainer because of their New York / New Jersey TV audience, despite a low college football penetration in that market. Since Notre Dame (good riddance) and Texas both said no, reaching into the football rich southern market has been the Big Ten's goal. Virginia will not go without Virginia Tech and Va Tech is not in the Big Ten plans. Maryland was good add with the DC market and helps unravel the ACC (and Notre Dame). Now, Georgia Tech is the prize. An academic and football tradition fit that would add football crazy households to the Big Ten network. No one else will be added until Ga Tech comes aboard unless it is a step to get them aboard. Once Geirgia Tech is added, the last team will be Kansas or North Carolina. Probably NC, so that it hurts the ND alliance to the ACC.

Not a bad hall for the Big Ten. New York, DC and Atlanta markets and a few pokes at ND's new "conference". That is killing two birds at once!:highfive:

 

[ScriptOhio]

To my eyes the East looks loaded - depending upon what happens to Penn State- possibly overloaded. I can see no way, long run, that Wisconsin and Nebraska balance out against Ohio State and Michigan and I wouldn't count PSU just yet. In 4 years they could bounce back.

East
Ohio State
Skunkbear
Sparty
Ped
Virginia
Maryland
Rutgers
North Carolina

The Big two and Little [strike]eight[/strike] six has a familiar ring to it.

 

[MU-Buck]

NO way the B1G adds UVA, UNC AND Georgia Tech!!! I don't even see GT as truly being in play... Sure, GT would want in, but no way Delany takes them! It's just like a good HC putting the word out he may be interested in another job, just to have leverage at his own school for more money or years on his contract.

By expressing interest in schools other than UNC and UVA the B1G puts pressure on these two schools to make a decision. IMO, we are going after UVA (Va Tech will have no issues getting into the SEC so legislatures won't block the process) and UNC (as long as Slive will take NC State, and because of TVs in the NC market, I think he will). IF UNC does not go the way of the B1G, then there are some safety nets... Syracuse, Kansas (if the B12 tv contract allows it), ND (a longshot even if the ACC falls apart, and it will) and finally, Pitt (if PSU gets slammed by the federal government, another AAU Pennsylvania picks up the slack, and PSU will have no leverage to block it!)....

Again... GT, Texas, FSU, etc will NOT be in the B1G! I truly feel if Toronto showed interest, they'd have a better shot than ANY of the aforementioned universities! Delany will keep this conference East of Nebraska, West of New Brunswick, South of Minneapolis, and North of Chapel Hill (IMO).

 

[MaxBuck]

Nobody here wants to watch OWN either ...

Man, are you clueless.

Every miserable, man-hating, overweight, unmarried female in the USA watches that shit. And there are a lot of those women around.

 

[Oh8ch]

Man, are you clueless.

Every miserable, man-hating, overweight, unmarried female in the USA watches that [Mark May]. And there are a lot of those women around.

It is the only channel the nacho bitch ever watches.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

"Left out: Pitt, Boston College, Duke, Wake, Syracuse" and Cincinnati... Lots of hearts being broken here and given the strength of the academic side of all but one of these schools, along with an inability to pay the bills for football I have to wonder if several won't be forced to drop the game. How long can some of these schools continue with a program that can't pay its own way in an era when the pressure to lower tuition is going to do nothing but mount?

I know for a fact that the faculties of Miami and U Cincinnati have been rumbling about how much the school has to shell out to keep the football program going.

fify

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I think what's going to happen is after the Big 4 Conferences are set, the rest are going to end up being like D-IAA. I don't know what they'll call it, but I think what needs to happen is schools like UC or Miami, OU.. etc.. have to start competing with a group of schools in the same "tier" as them. As it is, none of these teams is ever going to win the NC. Have them play for some other championship.

Not sure I articulated that real well. Point is, there are ways that schools like UC can remain able to field a football team without having to compete financially with the Big Boys.

Au contraire. Haven't you been reading your mid-major boards.

1. Big schools attempt to go to 4 superconferences.
2. NCAA attempts to split off the have-nots from the superconferences.
3. NCAA/Superconferences get their ass handed to them in anti-trust lawsuit.
4. All conferences made equal and full national revenue sharing follows.

 

[Nutriaitch]

NO way the B1G adds UVA, UNC AND Georgia Tech!!! I don't even see GT as truly being in play... Sure, GT would want in, but no way Delany takes them! It's just like a good HC putting the word out he may be interested in another job, just to have leverage at his own school for more money or years on his contract.

GT lands the B1G squarely in SEC territory.
what other "available" school does that?

Yes it is unique to the south to have that much Catholic influence....example would be the neighborhoods are "parishes" and Mardi Gras is a Catholic celebration of debautury right before Lent

correct. we don't have counties, we have parishes.

and Mardi Gras is the pinnacle of debauchery.
something we do better than anyone else.

So maybe LSU should get a seat at the table

no thank you.
i don't want to lose any of our current rivalries.

if we change conferences, our entire schedule will be filled with forced rivalries that just don't feel like rivalries.
in other words will play 8 games against Arkansas.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

BTW, much positive rep for anyone who can make a gif of the scene on the beach in last week's Boardwalk Empire with Delaney's head on Gyp Rosetti's body and Swofford's head sticking out of the sand.

And Swarbrick is like the cousin standing on the beach. After bludgeoning his family to death, Delaney walks past Swarbrick and says, "you owe me."

 

[jlb1705]

Man, are you clueless.

Every miserable, man-hating, overweight, unmarried female in the USA watches that shit. And there are a lot of those women around.

How many of them do we have on BuckeyePlanet?

This place is a...

 

[Hodgepodge]

http://www.eersauthority.com/expansion-update-acc-on-the-brink/


cliffnotes, they say B1G will get UVA and Ga Tech, and then maybe UNC

If you see "The Dude" quoted around the internet on expansion, it is the same guy who wrote this article. I'm not sure what that means in terms of its accuracy, but the guy has a PURPLE Book Cat-type following.

I agree with those that say there is little chance the B1G takes 17 unless the end game is 20. Further, I'm not sure how one conference at 20 constitutes an antitrust violation. And as hilarious as it would be for PSU to get booted, I see that is being really unlikely.

 

[Muck]

Pitt adds nothing.

It'll be a nice replacement for PSU when the government shuts that hell hole down.

The only way I can rest easy with Md and Rutgers is if they are part of some larger end game - something that brings in some solid programs or at least gets us into the South or Southwest.

The first thing that comes to mind when I hear Rutgers is "bridge to the southwest".

OK, I'll bite - what new media markets does UVA bring in that we haven't already tapped into with Maryland?

Common wisdom is that to completely tap the DC region you need 2 out of MD, VA & VPI.

Even if that isn't true as stated before, Virginia brings 8 million people & even better recruiting than Maryland.

Personally I think ND makes a perfect fit for the SEC, gives the Baptists something to get worked up over. I can just hear the talk in Tuscaloosa.... "Next thing you know the Pope will have a winter home in the Keys and the Swiss Guards will have a Mardi Gras float..."

Brilliant!!

Their "Crappy" football program has the same winning percentage as Maryland, their stadium seats more, and they have quite a bit of wealthy alumni.

The big problem with those wealthy alums is their tendency to glorify the days when their ancestors had house slaves.

Indiana (and Tom Crean) would totally dominate that division.

Divisions don't matter in basketball, or any other sport not named football.

Yes it is unique to the south to have that much Catholic influence....example would be the neighborhoods are "parishes" and Mardi Gras is a Catholic celebration of debautury right before Lent

Mardi Gras is a pagan tradition grafted onto Catholicism. Then again so is Christmas but I digress...

and Mardi Gras is the pinnacle of debauchery.
something we do better than anyone else.

Someday I'm going to have to take you to Carnivale in Rio. It makes New Orleans Mardi Gras look like the G rated parade at Disney World.

 

[dragurd]

The only reason I can see the Big Ten going to 17 is if ND or Texas agree to be 18.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

The only reason I can see the Big Ten going to 17 is if ND or Texas agree to be 18.

I think ND is a dead end. Sure, Delaney may try and give those [censored]s one last offer they can't refuse, but I don't see them considering it for one second, especially after their return to glory season this year.

You think the blood was bad between the domers and the Big Ten before all this, what do you think it'll be like after the dust settles on the ACC's corpse....after Delaney looked at the domer's shiny new house and then promptly proceeded to burn the mother fucker to the ground.

ND would join the WAC for football before they'll join the Big Ten, which would be just fine by me. It's where they belong.