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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by Mike80, Jul 26, 2007.

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Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  1. Boston College

    25 vote(s)
    9.3%
  2. Cincinnati

    16 vote(s)
    5.9%
  3. Connecticut

    6 vote(s)
    2.2%
  4. Duke

    16 vote(s)
    5.9%
  5. Georgia Tech

    50 vote(s)
    18.6%
  6. Kansas

    43 vote(s)
    16.0%
  7. Maryland

    66 vote(s)
    24.5%
  8. Missouri

    88 vote(s)
    32.7%
  9. North Carolina

    26 vote(s)
    9.7%
  10. Notre Dame

    187 vote(s)
    69.5%
  11. Oklahoma

    64 vote(s)
    23.8%
  12. Pittsburgh

    39 vote(s)
    14.5%
  13. Rutgers

    38 vote(s)
    14.1%
  14. Syracuse

    16 vote(s)
    5.9%
  15. Texas

    111 vote(s)
    41.3%
  16. Vanderbilt

    13 vote(s)
    4.8%
  17. Virginia

    38 vote(s)
    14.1%
  18. Virginia Tech

    54 vote(s)
    20.1%
  19. Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    24 vote(s)
    8.9%
  20. Add some other school(s) not listed

    14 vote(s)
    5.2%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. ORD_Buckeye

    ORD_Buckeye Kiss the ring, Fredo.

    Yeah, I wonder what they expect him to say, "these are fine colleges......for me to poop on."

    No way either gets in. And while BYU is a better university on paper, they have severe issues of academic freedom. The academic schools in the PAC blackballed Baylor for far less egregious transgressions than BYU. Faculty apparently has to sign something pledging that they will never research, publish or teach anything that contradicts church dogma. BYU has been censured by the Association of American University Presidents on numerous occasions.

    My gut really tells me that the PAC parks at 12 while we go to 20, and that's the PAC/BIG/FOX half of the bracket.
  2. Mrstickball

    Mrstickball Sophmore

    I think that there will still be a need for a 5th "Super Conference)".

    No conference really can lock up an entire region with all of its major teams. The B1G is going to likely not get Notre Dame, the SEC can't absorb all of the ACC schools in their region, and the Big XII is doing just enough to stay relevant.

    I believe the following will happen (lets just call this a random prediction):

    1. The PAC-12 doesn't expand to 16. At best, they expand to 14 with teams like the aforementioned Boise and SDSU. No other major market teams exist in their footprint except maybe Nevada or UNLV - even then, their academics don't fit the footprint. BYU is also an interesting issue, as they don't really fit in anywhere with their magic underwear.. They'd seemingly fit in with the Pac-12, but I doubt the universities would want them, so the BigXII is another opportunity.

    2. The B1G is the first to make it to 16 by acquiring UVA, GTech and potentially others while raiding the ACC (UNC). This causes the collapse of the ACC as we know it. If a 17th member is added (UNC), then the B1G eventually makes it to 18 by grabbing Pitt from the Big East (its the largest non-private school in the BEast/ACC). Other considerations would be Boston College and Syracuse to shore up the remnants of quality northern institutes.

    3. With the ACC collapsing, the BigXII and SEC raid the remnants of the ACC/BEast for viable members. The SEC makes it to 16 by adding VaTech and NC State.

    BigXII adds South Florida, FSU, Clemson, Miami, Cinci and Louisville to make a very viable "Eastern League" consisting of these schools as well as their recent WVU pickup for the east. This evolves the BigXII into a center and center-Southeast conference.

    4. With the collapsed BigEast and ACC, they have no choice but to merge into the also-ran conference (ARC). The conference picks up Notre Dame as the cornerstone member, as ND seemingly only wants to play with someone they can control, much like Texas. Also helping out the new also-rans is the fact the ACC has traditionally raided the BEast for members.

    This additional 14-team (21 w/ Basketball) conference consists of:

    • Notre Dame
    • Duke
    • Boston College
    • Wake Forest
    • Syracuse
    • UConn
    • Temple
    • UCF
    • Houston
    • Memphis
    • SMU
    • Tulane
    • Navy
    • East Carolina
      • DePaul
      • Georgetown
      • Marquette
      • Providence
      • St. John's
      • Seton Hall
      • Villanova
    The other conferences fight over the occasional playoff scraps as the MWC, Sun Belt, CUSA, and so on work together to try to get one team in an 8 or 16 playoff every few years.


    Here's the map:


    http://imgur.com/Tn8zr


    *edit*

    The one thing I would mention is that there is only one way we end up with 4 super-conferences: If the Pac-12 gets the TX/OK bloc of the BigXII (Texas, OK, OKST and either TTech or Baylor). In that scenario, the dissolved remnants of the BigXII would go to the ACC/BEast remnant conference, which would likely swell to ~20 members.

    So you'd have the B1G at 18-20 schools, the Pac-16, the SEC-16, and then the Also Ran-20.
    [​IMG]
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2012
  3. Muck

    Muck Buckeyes vs World

    UN-Reno & UNLV don't fit the Pac academically but you're pimping BSU?!

    The odds of BSU ending up in the Pac are about the same as Wright State ending up in the B1G.

    Another CA school is also very unlikely ESPECIALLY a school from the CSU (Cal State) system instead of the UC (University of California) system.
  4. Mrstickball

    Mrstickball Sophmore

    You're right. I started looking into the data behind BSU, and their endowment is non-existent.

    It's going to be very hard for the PAC-12 to expand to any meaningful schools unless they accept BYU, or lure Texas/OK away from the BigXII and cause it to fall. If that happened, you'd probably wind up with 4 major conferences - the PAC-16, the B1G (at 18-20 schools), the SEC @ 16 or 18, then the ACC/BEast remnant with the added BigXII schools that were usable.
  5. Mike80

    Mike80 make it happen

    The PAC's options are limited to none - especially if they don't want the Magic Underwearers/AFA/New Mexico/Colorado State schools. They might be stuck at 12.

    Boysee and San Diego State are SOL.

    And I seriously do not think you'll see Navy ever go into the ACC - they'll go back to being independent before anything else.
  6. DaveyBoy

    DaveyBoy Our Honor Defend

    I'm guessing these aw their best options:

    BYU
    UNLV
    San Diego State
    Nevada-Reno
    Boise State
    New Mexico

    Yuck


  7. Nicknam4

    Nicknam4 Pootis

    Are there any great FCS schools that could rise up into the PAC12? Unlikely, but possible.
  8. VBSJ

    VBSJ Newbie

  9. Muck

    Muck Buckeyes vs World

    I think they will most likely just wait until New Mexico and/or one of the Nevada schools grow into Pacworthiness.

    It's really more of a "Legends & Leaders" name survey. lol
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2012
  10. Mrstickball

    Mrstickball Sophmore

    One out of the box idea would be to look north - the University of British Columbia fits the PAC12 profile. Huge research institute, large enrollment, and a nice size endowment.

    Not sure about football, though.
  11. LovelandBuckeye

    LovelandBuckeye Loveland Tigers are the Div 2 Champions!

    What are the odds PedSU gets hit hard? Would Pitt be a definite pick up?
  12. VBSJ

    VBSJ Newbie

    Yeah, that and like rivalries. Maybe a "backdoor" way to see if people wouldn't mind Ohio State and TTUN in the same division.

    The final question/page where you can give additional comments is where you can give the Big Ten a piece of your mind (on such things at Ohio State-TTUN in October).
  13. Muck

    Muck Buckeyes vs World

    Professor Timothy Davis tells News and Record Maryland may use ACC?s exit fee language to mount legal challenge

  14. DaveyBoy

    DaveyBoy Our Honor Defend

    The best strip clubs I've ever had the pleasure to experience were in Victoria, BC.

    Road trip.



  15. heisman

    heisman World Renowned scUM Hater

    Strip clubs? Not a fan. Just add Nevada. Then, when you buy the cow, you don't just get to drink the milk, you get to do the milking. :)

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