Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I move that one of the criteria be that your head footall coach, AD and University President don't cover up child rape for over a decade.

 

[Mariotwins]

I move that one of the criteria be that your head footall coach, AD and University President don't cover up child rape for over a decade.

Only if it can be implemented retroactively

 

[PlanetFrnd]

ORD makes a great point.

I just can't see the Presidents taking in FSU when UVA and UNC AND Georgia Tech are all still on the market.

and with schools like these and others still being a potential member...

Which is why Tejas would still be the gem. Brings in both football AND a top research university. Texas, tOSU and TSUN are of the very few which bring what they bring to the table in University and athletic prowess. I'm struggling for others at the same level in football.

 

[JBaney45]

Which is why Tejas would still be the gem. Brings in both football AND a top research university. Texas, tOSU and TSUN are of the very few which bring what they bring to the table in University and athletic prowess. I'm struggling for others at the same level in football.

The Big 12 is stable and will be one of the big 4..that ship sailed.

ORD makes a great point.



and with schools like these and others still being a potential member...

I guess that depends on whether we plan to go to 16 or 20

16 you can probably survive with G-Tech/UNC

20 You really need to throw a football power in there, preferably 2 (ideally ND would cave if you are looking at conferences that big).

 

[PlanetFrnd]

The Big 12 is stable and will be one of the big 4..that ship sailed.

Maybe... but the B12 is also an effete 10-team conference, and the Longhorn network is not the amazing success they thought it would be...

 

[Buckeye86]

Maybe... but the B12 is also an effete 10-team conference, and the Longhorn network is not the amazing success they thought it would be...

If we're going to 20 and Texas is on the table could it get much better than:

Virginia
North Carolina
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Texas
Notre Dame

?

I submit that that would be the dream scenario with the possible exclusion of Florida State for a school with a little more academic clout.

If Texas is on the table I feel like that would bring ND back into play as well, FWIW, especially if the other cards drop and the ACC is destroyed as expected. I also think that Texas and Notre Dame would be the only two schools worth going to 20 for, otherwise just stay at 18 with the first three and Florida State or whoever else.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

If we're going to 20 and Texas is on the table could it get much better than:

Virginia
North Carolina
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Texas
Notre Dame

?

I submit that that would be the dream scenario with the possible exclusion of Florida State for a school with a little more academic clout.

If Texas is on the table I feel like that would bring ND back into play as well, FWIW, especially if the other cards drop and the ACC is destroyed as expected. I also think that Texas and Notre Dame would be the only two schools worth going to 20 for, otherwise just stay at 18 with the first three and Florida State or whoever else.

No, it coudn't IMHO. As they used to say back in the early 90s... I would fall out over the above scenario.

 

[muffler dragon]

No, it coudn't IMHO. As they used to say back in the early 90s... I would fall out over the above scenario.

What do you mean "they" people? :tic:

 

[JBaney45]

If we're going to 20 and Texas is on the table could it get much better than:

Virginia
North Carolina
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Texas
Notre Dame

?

I submit that that would be the dream scenario with the possible exclusion of Florida State for a school with a little more academic clout.

If Texas is on the table I feel like that would bring ND back into play as well, FWIW, especially if the other cards drop and the ACC is destroyed as expected. I also think that Texas and Notre Dame would be the only two schools worth going to 20 for, otherwise just stay at 18 with the first three and Florida State or whoever else.

That would be brilliant, I just don't see Texas wanting to or being able to leave without any of their comrades, not while they are the kings of the castle in their current setup.

 

[BuckTwenty]

If we're going to 20 and Texas is on the table could it get much better than:

Virginia
North Carolina
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Texas
Notre Dame

?

I submit that that would be the dream scenario with the possible exclusion of Florida State for a school with a little more academic clout.

If Texas is on the table I feel like that would bring ND back into play as well, FWIW, especially if the other cards drop and the ACC is destroyed as expected. I also think that Texas and Notre Dame would be the only two schools worth going to 20 for, otherwise just stay at 18 with the first three and Florida State or whoever else.

That would be the dream scenario. Only way it would get better than that is if U of Florida were in play instead of Florida State... and UF isn't going anywhere else... ever.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

What do you mean "they" people? :tic:

Whoever it was that I was hanging out with or listening to


excuse me: those with whom I was hanging or to whom I was listening...

 

[MU-Buck]

IMO it's much easier to turn a low to middle of the road athletic program into a yearly contender than it is to turn a low to middle of the road University into a well respected and highly ranked institution of higher learning!

I think Maryland and Rutgers could turn into consistent thorns in the B1G sides! There markets, geography and alumni base give Maryland and Rutgers amazing potential... If the university/athletic departmen commit to excellence. And I would HOPE the B1G demanded this quest for excellence before allowing them to join!

If we go to 16, I hope it's UNC and UVA all the way!!! And I hope no power conference goes over 16, there is anpoin where this becomes ridiculous!

If we go to 20, then I'm open to UVA, UNC, GT, ND, Kansas and Texas! With all the new additions (including PSU, Rutgers and Maryland) and 1 original B1G team forming one of the divisions... And the other 9 original members plus Nebraska making up the other division.

 

[Woody1968]

IMO it's much easier to turn a low to middle of the road athletic program into a yearly contender than it is to turn a low to middle of the road University into a well respected and highly ranked institution of higher learning!

I think Maryland and Rutgers could turn into consistent thorns in the B1G sides! There markets, geography and alumni base give Maryland and Rutgers amazing potential... If the university/athletic departmen commit to excellence. And I would HOPE the B1G demanded this quest for excellence before allowing them to join!

If we go to 16, I hope it's UNC and UVA all the way!!! And I hope no power conference goes over 16, there is anpoin where this becomes ridiculous!

If we go to 20, then I'm open to UVA, UNC, GT, ND, Kansas and Texas! With all the new additions (including PSU, Rutgers and Maryland) and 1 original B1G team forming one of the divisions... And the other 9 original members plus Nebraska making up the other division.

I agree, and quite frankly would have been fine at 12. There is no reason to go over 12, and so far we have no idea if such a large conference is even feasible. The ACC has not started play with 14 members, and the SEC has only completed one season with that many.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

SIAP - good article from WSJ... at least tangentially related to conferences...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324024004578169472607407806.html

College Football's Big-Money, Big-Risk Business Model

The story of college sports in 2012 is the tale of an arranged marriage between two increasingly anxious kingdoms.

The story of college sports in 2012 is that of an arranged marriage between two increasingly anxious kingdoms: the largest universities and TV networks. Rachel Bachman reports on the $25.5 billion investment TV is making.

On one side are the nation's largest universities, which face sharp declines in public funding. On the other, the cable and broadcast television networks, which are struggling to hold on to viewers and advertisers.
Like dynastic rulers desperate to protect their holdings, the two sides have engineered an alliance. The schools have offered up their most marketable asset, college football. The networks have agreed to marry the sport to the most important segment of their audience: the millions of viewers across the country who can still be counted on to drop whatever they are doing to watch live sports.

As a dowry, TV has agreed to pump about $25.5 billion in rights fees into college conferences and their member schools over the next 15 years. That includes a recent deal for ESPN to televise major-college football's first playoff - a four-team bracket launching in 2014 - that is valued at $5.6 billion over 12 years. The schools, meanwhile, are doing whatever is needed to maximize what they can command from TV: playing more games, jumping to new conferences, abandoning long-standing rivalries, dismantling the old system of postseason bowl games and, last June, approving that first-ever playoff.

Given the ever-rising costs of Division I college athletics, which at their current growth rate will increase some $12 billion over the next 10 years, this alliance represents one of the largest bets in the history of both these businesses: a $25.5 billion wager that college football, a quirky, tradition-bound game that used to be a regional fixation, can continue to draw large national audiences and, in doing so, help both the schools and the networks survive.

At stake for cable networks is their ability to keep subscribers happy and to continue collecting billions in subscriber fees. For colleges, the challenge is to figure out how to keep the money from undermining the integrity of the sport - not to mention their academic mission...

 

[buckeyegrad]

IMO it's much easier to turn a low to middle of the road athletic program into a yearly contender than it is to turn a low to middle of the road University into a well respected and highly ranked institution of higher learning!

Probably the smartest thing written in this thread since FSU entered into the discussion.