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E. Gordon Gee (President West Virginia U.)

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Watson, Crick & A Twist
Gee's Great Experiment at Vandy - Dispatch Article

Too humorous were he not deadly serious.
Article on front page of Dispatch sports section this AM (don't have the web link).
All about how he feels College athletics is now too commercial and promoting the solution he adopted at Vanderbilt. (i.e., get rid of the Athletic Department, relinquish budgetary responsibility, collegiate athletics funded out of general budget with academic / admin control of purse strings.
Did have one pithy quote about how GG can take Vandy losing all the time in the SEC, where many of the schools they play have "single-digit" graduation rates.
He feels his plan would be just the tonic for tOSU and hopes that KH sees it his way.

Quotes from other collegiate AD's and presidents in the article belittle Gee's ideas.
 
I remember Gee's plan from an article a few years back. It will fly at at school like Vandy or an Ivy League school, but athletics bring way too much money into a school like tOSU for a single entity to run the program. The entire Athletic Department is already scrambling just to control the monster so he wants to downsize? No chance.
 
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Dr. E. Gordon Gee, whose only wish was to make as much money as his school's head football coach. He finally got his wish.

For College Coaches, the Cash Is Rolling In
By PETE THAMEL

Published: January 2, 2005

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla., Dec. 31 - In his 24-year odyssey through higher education as president at Brown, Ohio State, Colorado and West Virginia, Gordon Gee maintains he has had one aspiration.

"My goal in life has always been to earn as much money as my football coach," Gee, now chancellor at Vanderbilt, said in a recent telephone interview.

Right now, Gee does make more money than his football coach, but that is not typical at universities with N.C.A.A. Division I-A football programs.

When college presidents meet at the National Collegiate Athletic Association's annual convention, which begins Friday, the rising salaries of coaches will be an item on the agenda.

"How are we going to handle this escalation of cost?" Gee said. "Can we afford to stay in this environment? What are we trying to accomplish?"

The issue sets off drastically different emotions among the main players - the coaches, the agents, the athletic directors and the college presidents.

Gee called it a tragedy. The Oklahoma athletic director, Joe Castiglione, said it was merely reality. Oklahoma Coach Bob Stoops said he makes "market value." The sports agent Neil Cornrich said the salaries were too low.

The N.C.A.A. president, Myles Brand, chalked up the recent increases to competition from the N.F.L. and predicted that faculty groups would soon start raising concerns.

Viewpoints may vary, but the dollars do not lie. At least eight Division I-A football coaches make more than $2 million a season, including recent additions to that club: Mack Brown of Texas, Urban Meyer of Florida and Tommy Tuberville of Auburn.

Castiglione predicted that by next spring, 12 to 15 coaches would make salaries of more than $2 million.

"I'm not all that comfortable saying it, but I believe we're much closer to breaking the $3 million barrier than people believe right now," he said.

Castiglione said he was uneasy with the salary escalation, but he was quick to add that it could be justified.

Oklahoma's Stoops makes more than $2.5 million a year, the highest known salary of any college football coach.

But he runs a football program that Castiglione said generates $41 million to $42 million in annual revenue. That finances 70 percent of Oklahoma's budget for its 20-team intercollegiate program. Football expenses account for 30 percent of the athletic budget.

Football, Castiglione said, provides financing in a self-sufficient athletic department that receives no taxpayer or state money.

"If it was a bad dynamic, more and more universities would drop football," Castiglione said. "The value is obvious. So why not apply good business strategy? From a business standpoint, we can justify every penny that we pay Bob and his staff."

He said salaries were reported differently 10 years ago, with coaches' outside revenue - from camps, television and radio shows, speeches and apparel - not counted as part of the total package.

Today, most coaches have all of their ancillary income included in their contract with the universities, which control the outside revenue from endorsements and appearances.

That is one reason, Castiglione said, that the numbers appear larger.

"We're all just trying to be smarter and more efficient in creating a better financial package," he said. "And when a coach leaves, you don't lose outside contacts with them."

Cornrich, the agent for Stoops and many other high-profile college coaches, including Iowa's Kirk Ferentz and Wisconsin's Barry Alvarez, said he saw the salary inflation as indicative of the money football programs make.

Gee said rising salaries were especially a problem because only about a dozen athletic departments were profitable each year, but Cornrich pointed to the huge revenue produced by football.

Cornrich also said that the peripheral benefits of a successful program should not be underestimated - the corollary spike in alumni donations, ticket prices, television rights fees, marketing and merchandising revenue, and student applications for admission.

"If anything," Cornrich said, "I'd argue that coaches' salaries are lagging."

Cornrich said it was simply supply and demand: a winning coach will cost a college more money, just as an apartment in Manhattan will cost more than one in Duluth, Minn.

"It's whatever the market bears," Cornrich said. "As the game gets bigger and revenue increases, there's no reason to draw a line in the sand. The real question should be: When will they start sharing revenue with the people who produce it, other than the coaches?"

Brand, the N.C.A.A. president, said college coaches' salaries began to increase when the N.F.L. started recruiting them in the past few years.

"What's happened through the work of agents and others is that the market between the pro and college ranks has collapsed," Brand said. "It's a single market now. As a result, the salaries and the conditions of employment for football coaches in college are coming to resemble those in the pro ranks."

There has always been a demand to win on campus, but the big money has pressured colleges to win now, and that impatience has contributed to a spate of college firings, including the dismissal of Tyrone Willingham by Notre Dame after the completion of only three years of a five-year contract.

Brand said the consensus was that the trend of escalating coaches' salaries would continue.

Castiglione said: "You can debate it, curse it or embrace it, but if you're going into a competitive market, there's a decision to be made. It's a choice that an institution has to make. If they don't want to do it, they can say no. I'm not complaining, I'm just being candid."

Football coaching slaries
 
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Vandy and other schools with higher academic standards that play in big time conferences: Duke, NW, Standford are rarely going to be able to compete at football. It takes too many 'exceptions' to field a decent football team. They should just concentrate on basketball where one or two great players can take you to the sweet 16 or further.
 
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It seems Dr Gee has his priorities mixed up with his comments regarding his and the football coaches salaries. I always thought the graduation and placement rates and the salaries the school's graduates can command in the marketplace are the most important. Dr. Gee seems to think that the descrepancy between the football coach and the university president is more important. Jealousy is indeed a green-eyed monster.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
How does Vanderbilt gin up $1.8 billion in annual revenue?
See The Center's universities research report, including comments on subsidizing sports, at http://thecenter.ufl.edu/ to see their research revenues.

Over $300 million in fees from 11,000 students, $208 million in total research, $99 million in annual gifts, income on over $2 billion in endowments, over $4 billion in assets, big business indeed for a smaller university...

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I'm busy with work right now, but had to post on this subject, so forgive the poor writing, but ...

people like to pile on this idea of Gee's, but the truth of the matter is Gee saw what was fundamentally the problem with bigtime college football/basketball ... it's no different than professional athletics. it's all about the revenue, the $$ ... and yet they operate under this farce of amateur-ism with this whole half-myth of promoting the student-athlete. The athletic departments at major football/basketball universities are generating so much revenue, and operate in large part independant from the rest of the university that they have begun to loose touch with what is going on university-wide ... they have different standards for student athletes in bigtime sports because they want to want to win. But really, the reason they want to keep winning is because they have to keep winning. They have to keep up this giant stream of revenue that they've built up that is supporting their entire athletic program. Why do you think the presidents of major universities would never seek an end to the bowl system? The system relies much too heavily on revenue from football. Changing that would fuck things up. the end public appearance of all this being the school is whoring its football programs at the expense of it's original intents ... education, personal growth(competing in athletics is part of this ... generating millions of $$ is not)

Pretty much what it comes down to is whether or not you think that competition in the name of competition and school pride can continue in the face ever increasing monetary consequence. Look at the difference in revenue generated for a conferences Athletic Depts. that sends 2 teams to BCS bowls vs 1 or none. It's professional football here ... maybe not as far as the players or coaches are concerned but at the higher administrative levels it sure as shit is. That's why Gee blew up what needed to be blown up. not the game of college football ... but the administrative body whose goals stood to gain everything from astronomical revenues of bigtime sports.

His hope is that by dispersing the Athletic Depts personel across the university they get a better idea of their place in the big picture, with the main benefit of being able to better distribute revenue across the university. At vanderbilt, this will hopefully help make the athletic dept better funded (allowing revenue from university in general to go to athletic dept ... since football teams brings in nothing), but at osu this type of organization may help other struggling departments by distrubiting athletic revenue.

So whatever, call him a fag who wants to build homo dorms, but I think that he is one of the most perceptive individuals involved in higher education in america today.

Also, if you know Gee, you'll know that he was half-joking about his salary and the football coaches ... his sole agenda isn't for HIM to make more money than Bobby Johnson ... it was for presidents to make more than coaches. again ... having to do with the state of cfb in major univ today, not personal.

Now don't even get me started on the bcs vs a playoff when it comes to whoring 18yr olds vs. amateurism.
 
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OSU has the largest sports admin department in the USA with a budget of $120 million, I think. Contrast that to the over $3 billion total budget and sports starts looking very unlike the tail that wags the dog!

So, while I understand Professor Gee, I think he should stick to adding to his bow-tie collection and leave our football alone!
 
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