Espin. Over Signing Bowl. Rematch Jan. 9th. Satan Vs the Mad Hatter

[Jake]

That may well be true. But I'm not trying to counter ESPN bias here, I'm just discussing whose regular season performance, OK State's or Alabama's, better merits inclusion in a "national championship" game. And my position is that, while it's close either way, OK State's relatively "bad" loss does, and should, weigh against them. If Alabama had the "bad" loss, instead of OK State, that would change my view on that point, although it might not change ESPN's.

How about the 11 wins?

Oklahoma State defeated Kansas State (10-2), Baylor (9-3) and Oklahoma (9-3). Their other wins were against teams with 7 wins, or fewer.

Alabama beat Penn state (9-3) and Arkansas (10-2). Their other wins were against teams with 7 wins, or fewer.

Whose wins were better?

 

[BigWoof31]

THIS! If there is no vested interest in the game then I really could care less. I watched bits and pieces of the first game and was bored to tears. I hope Glee is on that night.

If this isn't a ban worthy statement, I don't know what is.

 

[zincfinger]

that would be fine logic if you only looked at a paper schedule of each team and only focused on the single game that they lost.

You're arguing that overall schedule should outweigh quality of opponent in the one loss. And that's fine, I'm saying the opponent quality in the one loss is a reasonable factor. Your argument, that overall schedule quality should outweigh the loss quality is a legitimate one.

How about the 11 wins?

Oklahoma State defeated Kansas State (10-2), Baylor (9-3) and Oklahoma (9-3). Their other wins were against teams with 7 wins, or fewer.

Alabama beat Penn state (9-3) and Arkansas (10-2). Their other wins were against teams with 7 wins, or fewer.

Whose wins were better?

Again, I'm not talking about whom they beat here, I'm talking about whom they lost to. But as to whom they beat, there seems a smaller difference to me than the difference between whom they lost to (at ISU vs. hosting LSU). Whom they beat favors OK State, as I said at the outset. Whom they lost to favors Alabama. And on that latter basis, I think there's a legitimate case (not a slam dunk case) to be made that Alabama has earned a spot in the game over OK State. I'd rather see OK State in the championship game, as I said, because I prefer novel matchups in bowl games. But I think Alabama's season record compares reasonably favorably with OK State's, when you look at record (equal), overall schedule strength (probably close enough to be a minimal factor), whom they beat (favors OK State), and whom they lost to (favors Alabama).

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

I rarely watch every BCS bowl. I'll watch the Rose Bowl, Stanford-Okie Aggy and maybe the Sugar Bowl just because I'd like to see how Michigan plays.

I won't watch the NCS game, not because I don't think it might be a good game or that it's two very good teams playing, but rather because I am sick to my stomach that the National Championship has devolved from the SEC against the best of the rest to now essentially a +1 for the SEC. [censored] that.

If the SEC wants to win another championship, they should at least have to go outside of their own conference to do it.

 

[jwinslow]

zinc, what good does it do to replay that game one time?

If LSU wins, they just had to win the same game twice, which doesn't prove anything that wasn't already established.

If Bama wins, they only had to go .500 while LSU had to be perfect. It certainly doesn't prove they're better without a third matchup.

 

[Jake]

zinc, what good does it do to replay that game one time?

If LSU wins, they just had to win the same game twice, which doesn't prove anything that wasn't already established.

If Bama wins, they only had to go .500 while LSU had to be perfect. It certainly doesn't prove they're better without a third matchup.

Exactly what is wrong with the rematch scenario. It would be one thing if two teams battled through a playoff and ended up in a rematch. It's another thing entirely when they are voted into it.

And for "the season is the playoff" crowd, we now know that was never true. Some of us knew that already, but now we have proof that crowd cannot ignore. If "the season is the playoff", how in the hell did Alabama get a rematch with unbeaten LSU in the title game?

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I'm beginning to think Gatorubet is un-bannable.

Think again...

 

[zincfinger]

zinc, what good does it do to replay that game one time?

If LSU wins, they just had to win the same game twice, which doesn't prove anything that wasn't already established.

If Bama wins, they only had to go .500 while LSU had to be perfect. It certainly doesn't prove they're better without a third matchup.

It doesn't do any good whatsoever (if, by "doing good", you mean proving who's best in the country). Whether LSU and Alabama play again or don't, and regardless of who wins the rematch, I think it's reasonably evident already that they're two relatively evenly matched teams.

 

[jwinslow]

The purpose of the BCS is to crown a clearer champion.

Beating or losing to Ok State would prove more than creating either redundancy or a tie.

 

[buckeyegrad]

zinc, what good does it do to replay that game one time?

If LSU wins, they just had to win the same game twice, which doesn't prove anything that wasn't already established.

If Bama wins, they only had to go .500 while LSU had to be perfect. It certainly doesn't prove they're better without a third matchup.

This is why if it wasn't for my loathing of the Bama fan base, I would be cheering for them to win by a field goal. That way we could live in the bizzaro world this system has created, where the national champion achieved their triumph by going 1-1 against their opponent, who by they way, finished above them as division and conference champion.

Oh, and I won't be watching the game either.

 

[Woody1968]

It's official: Alabama is painting the endzones in the Superdome, and Oklahoma State is screwed!

Has any team won a NC game by kicking only field goals?

This game is a bottomless pit of material.

 

[zincfinger]

The purpose of the BCS is to crown a clearer champion.

Yep, that's the purpose. And, while allowing for the vagueness of the term "clearer champion", it frequently fails in that vague endeavor, by most peoples' subjective opinions (including mine). And as I said, I think the "no rematches" argument is the best one for for putting OK State in the game ahead of Alabama. But suppose OK State had lost not one, but two games. Suppose that Alabama was the only one-loss team among major BCS conference programs. Hypothetically, is the "no rematches/conference-champions-only" rule unassailable, or are there limits, with some consideration given to the various non-supreme contenders' overall season performances?

 

[alexhortdog95]

How about the 11 wins?

Oklahoma State defeated Kansas State (10-2), Baylor (9-3) and Oklahoma (9-3). Their other wins were against teams with 7 wins, or fewer.

Alabama beat Penn state (9-3) and Arkansas (10-2). Their other wins were against teams with 7 wins, or fewer.

Whose wins were better?

They're saying that it's not about the wins...it's about who they lost to.

All I know is this - It really doesn't matter which team goes - Bama again, or the Cowpokes. I've watched quite a few LSU games this year, and that defense is in another world, not to mention how they go on runs offensively when they get just a taste of momentum.

If Bama is smart, they'd kick the ball so far away from #7, it'd go into the announcer's booth. He basically put them back into two games in a row.

 

[SadSouthernBuck]

Alabama beat Penn state (9-3) and Arkansas (10-2). Their other wins were against teams with 7 wins, or fewer.

That's one way to spin it.......

Another is to say they only beat 4 teams with a winning record (Auburn, Penn State, Arkansas and Georgia Southern).

 

[TooTall]

I just went to ESPN and they had a hovering add over the home page. It was a Chase Freedom add and it contained money flying all over the screen. The background?

I don't think ESPN is sending the right message with their ads.