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General Recruiting Discussion and Tangents (Merged)

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bucklifer;976504; said:
Based on his unspectacular stats and on some unflattering reports of his play, is anyone else beginning to question the providence of the coaches' decision to make him the promise?
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Not one bit...

Stats are about 10th on the list for measuring a prospect's value.
 
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OH10;976644; said:
If I recall, Beanie didn't exactly blow up the statbook as a senior at Garfield. I believe he put up good, but not spectacular, numbers.
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Wells Sr year HS (2005)
10 Games 223Rush Attempts 2,134Yards Gained 9.6Yards per Rush 28 Touchdowns
Junior Year - not sure of the number of games, but
212 Attempts1,939 Yards9.1 YPC20 - TD
Unspectacular?

Maybe Wells, Chris is the wrong comparative.
 
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Boom Herron and Pittman had modest senior years. Herron on a poor team, Pittman still with a shaky ankle. Don't know about Herron, but Pittman certainly turned out all right.

That being said, I don't know if stats are actually way down at tenth on the list of items of importance. I would put stats in their proper perspective (level of comp, teammates, and overrall team strength), and rank them behind build, measurables, work ethic, and intelligence. Some guys "just produce" on the field, and their stats certainly show them out.

I will state that I'm sure all of us were expecting big things from Torrence at a program like Massillon.
 
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HabaneroBuck;976652; said:
That being said, I don't know if stats are actually way down at tenth on the list of items of importance. I would put stats in their proper perspective (level of comp, teammates, and overrall team strength), and rank them behind build, measurables, work ethic, and intelligence. Some guys "just produce" on the field, and their stats certainly show them out.
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Build..agree, but its a measurable
Work ethic..agree.
Attitude..agree.
Measurables...you chose to make it into one category...I don't. Ex. A kid might run a 4.4 but can't change direction at all. Can change direction well

Numerous other examples and measurables I would certainly put above stats...kids that produce numbers on the field are not always the best prospects. Ben Mauk is/was a system QB...numbers were astronomical but he is lost outside of his offense.

As for numbers at Massilon, injury and a porous OLine contributed a good bit to those "average" numbers
 
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I generally trust the staff too. However, I don't see what seperates Torrence from players like Pead and Ashley. Although Ashley has been bitten by the injury bug, he has put up better numbers against much stiffer competition. I also think Ashley just "looks" like a better RB (better vision, more power, more moves, etc.. True, Ashley is small; but so is Mo Wells. What's more, I don't see what seperates Torrence from Pead. They are both the same size (Devoe is much smaller than is reported on recruiting service websites). Pead is at least as fast as Devoe. Pead has has the wow factor, which is something that Torrence sorely lacks. Now that Ohio State is the #1 team in the nation and stands a good chance to make it back to the BCS NC, you would figure more blue-chippers would beign to show interest in us. If, for whatever reason, the staff is dead-set in its conviction that Pead is not tOSU material as a RB, then why not try to snag an OOS prospect late in the process? I'm sorry, while I think DT is a good athlete, I do not seem him as a naturally gifted RB such as the other players I have already mentioned. From the film I've seen, he seems much more comfortable on the other side of the ball. Is he being self-interested? Does he want the glamour that comes with playing on the offensive side of the ball?
 
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Just watch DeVoe's video and you will he is a runningback. You will also see what seperates him fromt he rest. He changes direction so quickly, has great vision, good power, great speed, and he can catch the ball. What really stands out about DeVoe is how quickly he hits the seam when he sees it and that's what the staff is looking for first and foremost, and DeVoe has it. His lateral movement is phenomenal. I couldn't care less what his senior stats are really because he will be behind the Brew Crew and I could put up big numbers running behind them :biggrin:
 
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Something else to ask yourself is why don't other staffs see the same promise in Ashley & Pead. Lville, Wisky & Illinois do not compare to OSU & UM. That suggests it's not just OSU with that mindset, imo.
 
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jwinslow;976796; said:
Something else to ask yourself is why don't other staffs see the same promise in Ashley & Pead. Lville, Wisky & Illinois do not compare to OSU & UM. That suggests it's not just OSU with that mindset, imo.
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No doubt the staff sees something and I trust that. However, I would pay attention to Wisky when it comes to RBs. Its not like they've been slouches in finding great recruits there :)
 
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