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Illegal Immigration (official)

Discussion in 'Political Conversation and Debate' started by ScriptOhio, Jun 19, 2006.

  1. sepia5

    sepia5 JoePa apologists = Pendejo

    Administrative law is a branch of civil law. Enforcement of immigration law is handled by various federal agencies (Customs and Border Protection, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Citizenship and Immigration Services). It isn't handled by local law enforcement, although local law enforcement may become involved for a number of reasons. Enforcement of immigration law is no different than enforcement of environmental law, federal communications regulations, or consumer protection regulations. All such laws are codified outside of the criminal code and are enforced by appropriate, specialized regulatory agencies. As Gator noted, they are therefore civil.
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  2. Bucklion

    Bucklion Throwback Moderator

  3. Bucklion

    Bucklion Throwback Moderator

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-12-12-14-18-16

    Oh boy...

    "CE agents in New Jersey notified superiors at the Homeland Security Department because they considered it a potentially high profile arrest, and DHS instructed them not to arrest Sanchez until after the November election, one U.S. official told the AP. ICE officials complained that the delay was inappropriate, but DHS directed them several times not to act, the official said."
  4. PlanetFrnd

    PlanetFrnd Newbie

    So... will Tebow start?
  5. NewYorkBuck

    NewYorkBuck Do not read this title Moderator

    Funny, that was the first thing I thought of when I heard this as well.....:biggrin:
  6. BayBuck

    BayBuck Buckeyes are best

    Associated Press Drops 'Illegal Immigrant' From Stylebook

    http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision...standards-book/story?id=18862824#.UVwI9ZPqmxU

    I guess I always considered the term a common-sense derivation from "illegal immigration", and it's hard to not read this as a semi-political statement regarding the status of formerly-so-called illegals.
  7. DubCoffman62

    DubCoffman62 Lazy Slob

    So what do we call murders and rapists these days?
  8. BIATCHabutuka

    BIATCHabutuka shield wall

    people can't be illegal. only activities are illegal. agree with the shift in terminology completely.

    they should just be called undocumented democrats going forward.

    personally i can't wait to emmigrate from the USSA as I don't see the appeal of living here at all anymore but that is a completely different and very sad thread.

    Land of the free and home of the brave my ass. More like the land of free [Mark May] and home of brave politicians and banksters that don't think they will get their hands cut off for reaching into the cookie jar over and over without getting checked by the people. they will get checked eventually and i honestly don't even want part of that chaos anymore. i am basically ready to quit on America permanently. the country i loved growing up does not exist at all anymore. we are in the death spiral and it will only get uglier and uglier until we fall. doesn't sound like a safe place to live to me.

    Back on topic though, some quick facts on the economics of people immigrating to the USSA. without more debt slaves that reproduce at a higher rate we have no hope. to paraphrase princess leia, help me Jose and Juan, you are our only hope.

    Ten Fast Facts On The Economics Of Immigration
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-02/ten-fast-facts-economics-immigration
    Gotta love that government efficiency. Costs up 500% in 10 years yet apprehensions down roughly 90% per agent. Only in Amerika. . . .
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2013
  9. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye Pork cue pine Tech Admin

    You would. I suppose now that people can't be evil, hateful, or heinous because only their actions can be...

    The pussification of Amercian continues...
  10. BIATCHabutuka

    BIATCHabutuka shield wall

    no doubt this is just semantics and i don't feel like going there, but i think there is a difference between a person being illegal, like they shouldn't exist and should be retroactively aborted, and a person being evil, heinous, or hateful.

    much more importantly, it is a necessary shift in terminology if we aren't going to lean into the fastball of a hillary presidency and get plunked in the face for another 7.5 years. at that point we would pass the length of time of the great depression, though i am sure we could lie about the stats to prove otherwise. i'm sure the Mao Jones will get to 36,000 by the end of hillary's first term though and everything will be alright.

    competition is going to be illegal next and then they can fit us all with our Harrison Bergeron impediments so we can not only be created equal but in fact equal in all regards. maybe we can start scoring sporting events like T ball where everyone wins and we don't keep score. . . .

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron

    good short story by vonnegut
  11. BayBuck

    BayBuck Buckeyes are best

    Disagree. I agree with your first statement about people, but immigrants can be illegal in that the term defines them by their action. It's simply PC to equate a the term "immigrant" with a person's humanity. They are not illegal humans, but as people who have entered the country illegally, their status as immigrants is illegal as defined by the law of the land (calling them just "illegals" is obviously more derogatory). I think a better change would have been to simply hyphenate the term: illegal-immigrant makes a more clear connection between the crime and the activity.
  12. BIATCHabutuka

    BIATCHabutuka shield wall

    Pretty much agree there. I try to always think of the individual though and to lump them all together as immigrants, even though they are, isn't respectful of their status as free human beings. When you put people into a class you are able to treat them as a class instead of as individuals. This is a step to treating them like they are subhuman. Once you can treat a group of people like a class you get a slippery slope that Hitler was able to ski down and demonize the Jews all at once instead of respecting their individual rights to due process and what not. If Hitler would have tried all the Jews as individuals and convicted them of a capital crime then it wouldn't be genocide in my book (unless the crime was religion or ethnic based).

    This sounds weak as I type it but you really should never lose track of individual rights for anyone or suddenly there won't be anyone to stand up for your rights at some point.
  13. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

    I received this email, Snoops says it is TRUE (http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/mexicoangry.asp). It makes a valid point:

    Mexico is angry...

    Wow! And make certain you read, at the bottom of this page, the part that says it will take 30 more seconds to read.! This is what needs to be done, in my opinion! Please forward to all you know and ask them to forward to all they know. Maybe, together, we can make this happen!

    The shoe is on the other foot and the Mexicans from the State of Sonora , Mexico do not like it. Can you believe the nerve of these people? It's almost funny. The State of Sonora is angry at the influx of Mexicans into Mexico ! !

    Nine state legislators from the Mexican State of Sonora traveled to Tucson to complain about Arizona 's new employer crackdown on illegal s from Mexico . It seems that many Mexican illegal s are returning to their hometowns and the officials in the Sonora state government are ticked off. A delegation of nine state legislators from Sonora was in Tucson on Tuesday to state that Arizona 's new 'Employer Sanctions Law' will have a devastating effect on the Mexican state. At a news conference, the legislators said that Sonora, - Arizona's southern neighbor - made up of mostly small towns - cannot handle the demand for housing, jobs and schools that it will face as Mexican workers return to their hometowns from the USA without jobs or money.

    The Arizona law, which took effect Jan. 1, punishes Arizona employers who knowingly hire individuals without valid legal documents to work in the United States . Penalties include suspension of, or loss of, their business license. The Mexican legislators are angry because their own citizens are returning to their hometowns, placing a burden on THEIR state government instead of ours.

    'How can Arizona pass a law like this?' asked Mexican Rep Leticia Amparano-Gamez, who represents Nogales . 'There is not one person living in Sonora who does not have a friend or relative working in Arizona ,' she said, speaking in Spanish. 'Mexico is not prepared for this, for the tremendous problems it will face as more and more Mexicans working in Arizona and who were sending money to their families return to their hometowns in Sonora without jobs,' she said 'We are one family, socially and economically,' she said of the people of Sonora and Arizona ..

    Wrong! The United States is a sovereign nation, not a subsidiary of Mexico , and its taxpayers are not responsible for the welfare of Mexico 's citizens. It's time for the Mexican government, and its citizens, to stop feeding parasitically off the United States and to start taking care of its/their own needs.

    Too bad that other states within the USA don't pass a law just like that passed by Arizona . Maybe that's the answer, since our own Congress will do nothing.!*New Immigration Laws*Be sure to read to th e bottom or you will miss the message...1. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools.
    2. All ballots will be in this nation's language.
    3. All government business will be conducted in our language.
    4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.
    5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office.
    6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or any other government assistance programs. Any who are a burden will be deported.
    7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.
    8. If foreigners come here and buy land, their options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.
    9. Foreigners may have NO protests; NO demonstrations, NO waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, NO bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.
    10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted and, when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.


    Too strict.? The above laws are the current immigration laws of MEXICO.! If it's good for American's to obey Mexican laws, then it's good visa versa.!!!
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2013
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  14. BUCKYLE

    BUCKYLE Bearded

    So you want America to be more like Mexico?
    Also, what is the official language of the United States? I wasn't aware there was one.
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  15. muffler dragon

    muffler dragon Bien. Bien chiludo.

    'merican!

    :duh:
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