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Ravens +8.5 at Broncos (ov/un 46.5) Sat 4:30

I'm actually pretty impressed with the broadcasters. They didn't spend half the game fellating Lewis like I expected.

Speaking of Lewis, his act is annoying. The whole thing. I'll be glad when he's off the field for numerous reasons. I fully expect e!spn to give him some stupid "preacher" schtick.
 
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The Broncos win a playoff game starting Tim Tebow at QB. The cosmos then demands order be restored and inflicts a loss with Peyton Manning at QB the next year.

Or look at it like this, last year they won because the giant shiny forheaded QB made one good pass. This year they lost because the giant shiny forheaded QB made one bad one.


Either way, we should have all seen this coming.
 
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Buckeneye;2291045; said:
With my Cali roots and my Niners gear in the closet,
This is where we disagree. :tongue2:

I was a teenager, and a Cowboys fan, when I watched "The Catch" game. The 49ers have been dead to me ever since. D-E-A-D, dead. :wink2:
 
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The Broncos were the first team to return TWO kicks for TDs in a playoff game, and Peyton Manning still couldn't get the W.
 
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Jake;2291136; said:
The Broncos were the first team to return TWO kicks for TDs in a playoff game, and Peyton Manning still couldn't get the W.

Blasphemy to some I'm sure...but does Peyton Manning ever get saddled with the overrated label? I mean, not that he wasn't an excellent QB, because he is/was, but he gets the "GOAT" discussion thrown around at him, including during the game...one Super Bowl, and he seems to come up with as many clutch bad performances as good ones. I don't know, just seems that if I have a playoff game to win, he isn't in the top 5 I would pick...maybe even the top 10.
 
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3074326;2290983; said:
Do these bitch ass refs not know that Champ Bailey doesn't need to interfere with the WR? He's probably going to go down as the best CB in league history. I know he's still human.. but.. that was a terrible call.

I want to add to this comment. This game was the worst I've seen Champ Bailey look. I'm a huge fan of his.. but I just saw a good bit of highlights and he was on the wrong side of them a lot. Odd. Can't stay at the top forever, I guess. As much as I hate to say it, he should get about as much credit for this loss as anyone, including Manning.
 
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Bucklion;2291148; said:
Blasphemy to some I'm sure...but does Peyton Manning ever get saddled with the overrated label? I mean, not that he wasn't an excellent QB, because he is/was, but he gets the "GOAT" discussion thrown around at him, including during the game...one Super Bowl, and he seems to come up with as many clutch bad performances as good ones. I don't know, just seems that if I have a playoff game to win, he isn't in the top 5 I would pick...maybe even the top 10.

Not to me.

The guy has always been overrated. Never beat Florida in college. Only won one bowl game in four tries, and that was against Coop. And he's two games under. 500 in the playoffs.

Overrated.
 
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Bucklion;2291148; said:
Blasphemy to some I'm sure...but does Peyton Manning ever get saddled with the overrated label? I mean, not that he wasn't an excellent QB, because he is/was, but he gets the "GOAT" discussion thrown around at him, including during the game...one Super Bowl, and he seems to come up with as many clutch bad performances as good ones. I don't know, just seems that if I have a playoff game to win, he isn't in the top 5 I would pick...maybe even the top 10.

Manning is often compared to Brady when he should be compared to Favre.
 
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I am pleased that Denver fans now know how Cleveland fans felt back in the 80s and I am certainly glad that the Browns did not hire Mike McCoy as their HC. This playcalling yesterday left a lot to be desired. I thought that he tried to run the ball too much and his formations were very Shurmur like.
 
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Bucklion;2291148; said:
Blasphemy to some I'm sure...but does Peyton Manning ever get saddled with the overrated label? I mean, not that he wasn't an excellent QB, because he is/was, but he gets the "GOAT" discussion thrown around at him, including during the game...one Super Bowl, and he seems to come up with as many clutch bad performances as good ones. I don't know, just seems that if I have a playoff game to win, he isn't in the top 5 I would pick...maybe even the top 10.


Interesting to see so many casual fans hammer on Manning after the loss. He deserves his share, but make no mistake, this was a team loss. I am a somewhat Bronco follower and this performance didn't even resemble the last 3/4 of season. Champ had easily the worst game of his career. If he has truly lost a step I am suprised it hadn't been exposed earlier. The whole secondary only made a few plays all day. The negative plays of Champ and Moore were all game-changers. I believe the strength of Denvers defense this year has been the D-line. No pressure at all yesterday, and no adaptation of the game plan to create that pressure. Flacco standing in there with a clean pocket 95% of the time was a big factor in exposing Denver's secondary. A team that gives up 3 or 4 huge plays usually isn't going to win. Manning wasn't very sharp half the time, Thomas was MIA most of the game, and Denver didn't run the ball strongly most of the game. With all that they still had control of the win with 2 minutes left. Fox pulling a Tressel and ceding the punt at mid-field rather than trying for the first down was magnified by a terrible punt that gave the Ravens hope. Followed by the worst defensive effort I have ever seen by an NFL team in the last minute. People can hammer on Manning for the pick in overtime, but this game was given away much earlier, and was a collective team failure.
 
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Having watched Manning for a majority of his career in Indianapolis, I always thought Manning felt he had to "win" games for the team. This was definitely true a lot in Indy as the defense gave up as much as Manning got with the offense.

I felt like the longer the game went last night the more Manning would begin to feel he needed to win the game for the team. I didn't think the pick six early in the game was Manning's fault. It could have easily been a PI call. However, he knew better than anyone not to throw that last pass and the minute I saw him roll and let that go I figured it would get picked.

I am interestingly watching Aaron Rodgers to see if he has a Manning like career relative to Super Bowl wins and season ending disappointments.
 
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