tOSU Recruiting Discussion

[BayBuck]

The The experts aren't aren't just throwing darts at a list of guys to determine if they are 3 or 4 stars, there is a basis for it based off of a lot of tangibles. I know Meyer will get the job done but I just don't want to leave a stud out there because we don't have room for him.

Don't forget the rest of that post, Muck, obviously Urban should be paying attention to the recruiting experts too - after all, they have bona fides.

 

[ShowMeBuck]

Oh yes. Bona Fides. Forgot about those. Sir Bill type. Gold. Pure gold.

 

[DiamondBuck]

Don't forget the rest of that post, Muck, obviously Urban should be paying attention to the recruiting experts too - after all, they have bona fides.

Do we even Coker, Bro?

Miami hasn't been same since losing to OSU, but appears to be on right path

But some believe the reliance on 'name' players was part of the problem.

Matt Shodell, managing editor of canesport.com, said Hurricanes coaches stopped beating the bushes the way they did during their climb to the top. He recalls walking into an assistant coach's office and seeing him write names of potential recruits off of a rivals.com list on his computer.

Too often, those supposed five-star players were a bad fit. Other times, highly coveted players simply didn't live up to expectations

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/sports/2010/09/05/storming-back.html

 

[Oh8ch]

Do we even Coker, Bro?

Miami hasn't been same since losing to OSU, but appears to be on right path

But some believe the reliance on 'name' players was part of the problem.

Matt Shodell, managing editor of canesport.com, said Hurricanes coaches stopped beating the bushes the way they did during their climb to the top. He recalls walking into an assistant coach's office and seeing him write names of potential recruits off of a rivals.com list on his computer.

Too often, those supposed five-star players were a bad fit. Other times, highly coveted players simply didn't live up to expectations

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/sports/2010/09/05/storming-back.html

The fault, dear Brutus, is indeed in the stars.....

 

[leek]

The coaching staff and all the recruiting experts out there don't know anymore than we do about how a players career will turn out over the next 4 years. One player can turn a class. Troy Smith was the last guy in the 02 class but change him out with another player and we are a totally different team. Each spot is crucial in my opinion. The experts aren't aren't just throwing darts at a list of guys to determine if they are 3 or 4 stars, there is a basis for it based off of a lot of tangibles. I know Meyer will get the job done but I just don't want to leave a stud out there because we don't have room for him.

There is so much wrong in this single post:

Troy Smith was NOT the last guy offered in the class of 2002. Someone shooting from the hip made this claim years ago and people have repeated it so often those who don't know better claim it as a fact. Recruiting gurus are not very good at predicting what players will do. They are often very wrong for many reasons. There are many 5 stars who turn out to be over-rated. Ever heard of Kyle Kalis?Awesome 5-star right? How about James Banks? Banks was a 5 star dual threat QB in the 02 recruitjng class. While Troy Smith was the TWELFTH rated dual threat QB. On the other hand the so-called experts liked many players better than James Lauriniatis, Malcolm Jenkins and Bradley Roby. In fact one service didn't have Roby in their top 85 defensive backs while another had him ranked #42.

Sheesh - relax a good coaching staff knows a hell of a lot more than Scout, Rivals and ESPIN

 

[pnuts34]

http://ohiostate.247sports.com/Article/Ohio-State-Recruits-Talking-On-Twitter-33200367


Cool tweets of 2015 targets and commits

 

[pnuts34]

There is so much wrong in this single post:

Troy Smith was NOT the last guy offered in the class of 2002. Someone shooting from the hip made this claim years ago and people have repeated it so often those who don't know better claim it as a fact. Recruiting gurus are not very good at predicting what players will do. They are often very wrong for many reasons. There are many 5 stars who turn out to be over-rated. Ever heard of Kyle Kalis?Awesome 5-star right? How about James Banks? Banks was a 5 star dual threat QB in the 02 recruitjng class. While Troy Smith was the TWELFTH rated dual threat QB. On the other hand the so-called experts liked many players better than James Lauriniatis, Malcolm Jenkins and Bradley Roby. In fact one service didn't have Roby in their top 85 defensive backs while another had him ranked #42.

Sheesh - relax a good coaching staff knows a hell of a lot more than Scout, Rivals and ESPIN

Yeah, I agree. Fans can fall in love with star rankings, but anyone who watches the NFL sees that some of the best players were 2-3 star recruits or not even ranked. JJ Watt is the best defensive player in the league and was a 2star from WI. Star rankings from analysts don't account for work ethic or the fact that's kids tend to do dumb $h!t while in college. If star rankings were the end all, then Jimmy Clausen, Mitch Mustain and John Brantley should've all been studs, but offensive schemes and intangibles doomed them all at the college level. EzE was almost scoffed at by some fans because Urban stopped pursuing Derrick Green @buckeye4ever21 are you happy with those results? An extensive list of 5star busts can be brought out(I.e. Darrell Scott, Xavier Lee, Patrick Turner, CJ Gable, Marcus Fortson, Eugene Clifford, Ben Martin and I can keep going on and on). If the staff likes what they see about a kid that could fit their system, regardless of stars I/we should trust their opinion above anyone else's. This class is very very good, and it has guys that most importantly want to be Buckeyes and are still highly rated from around the nation and a number from our backyard.

 

[UpNorth_Buckeye]

Anyone think we go after a 5th OL in back to back years while we are already tight in spots (at 22 right now), even if that 5th could be Richmond? Seems like we have a few "can't miss" potential recruits, and we can't say yes to all of them. Obviously not all of them would eventually want in, but we probably only have 2-4 spots left.

 

[buckeye4ever21]

There is so much wrong in this single post:

Troy Smith was NOT the last guy offered in the class of 2002. Someone shooting from the hip made this claim years ago and people have repeated it so often those who don't know better claim it as a fact. Recruiting gurus are not very good at predicting what players will do. They are often very wrong for many reasons. There are many 5 stars who turn out to be over-rated. Ever heard of Kyle Kalis?Awesome 5-star right? How about James Banks? Banks was a 5 star dual threat QB in the 02 recruitjng class. While Troy Smith was the TWELFTH rated dual threat QB. On the other hand the so-called experts liked many players better than James Lauriniatis, Malcolm Jenkins and Bradley Roby. In fact one service didn't have Roby in their top 85 defensive backs while another had him ranked #42.

Sheesh - relax a good coaching staff knows a hell of a lot more than Scout, Rivals and ESPIN

I didn't say the last person offered, I said he was the last commit in the 02 class, but then again there are my words being spun again. He was the last recruit to COMMIT in the 02 class, which he was. I was just using him as an example as a 3 star who played like a 5 star. I know rankings are wrong all the time. But that doesn't change the fact that you try to get all the 5 stars possible. I'm not throwing this class under the bus or anything but the way this class has played out will keep a few really good recruits out of it because of numbers. That's all I'm saying.

 

[buckeye4ever21]

Anyone think we go after a 5th OL in back to back years while we are already tight in spots (at 22 right now), even if that 5th could be Richmond? Seems like we have a few "can't miss" potential recruits, and we can't say yes to all of them. Obviously not all of them would eventually want in, but we probably only have 2-4 spots left.

Honestly he's too good to pass up. You're right with the projected spots left, but what the heck lets take them all. O'dell Beckham Jr. is taking over this Sunday night football game with one of th best catches I've ever seen.

 

[buckeye4ever21]

Yeah, I agree. Fans can fall in love with star rankings, but anyone who watches the NFL sees that some of the best players were 2-3 star recruits or not even ranked. JJ Watt is the best defensive player in the league and was a 2star from WI. Star rankings from analysts don't account for work ethic or the fact that's kids tend to do dumb $h!t while in college. If star rankings were the end all, then Jimmy Clausen, Mitch Mustain and John Brantley should've all been studs, but offensive schemes and intangibles doomed them all at the college level. EzE was almost scoffed at by some fans because Urban stopped pursuing Derrick Green @buckeye4ever21 are you happy with those results? An extensive list of 5star busts can be brought out(I.e. Darrell Scott, Xavier Lee, Patrick Turner, CJ Gable, Marcus Fortson, Eugene Clifford, Ben Martin and I can keep going on and on). If the staff likes what they see about a kid that could fit their system, regardless of stars I/we should trust their opinion above anyone else's. This class is very very good, and it has guys that most importantly want to be Buckeyes and are still highly rated from around the nation and a number from our backyard.

I evaluate the recruits beyond their star rankings. But the percentage of 5 star recruits in a given year that turn into good/great football players is still higher than the percentage of 3 stars that turn into good /great football players.

 

[UpNorth_Buckeye]

Honestly he's too good to pass up. You're right with the projected spots left, but what the heck lets take them all. O'dell Beckham Jr. is taking over this Sunday night football game with one of th best catches I've ever seen.

Firstly, we can't take them all. That was the point if my post. When and where (as in which position group) do you unfortunately have to say no. Secondly, did you type the first half, get drunk , think you're in the NFL thread, type the second half, then hit send?

 

[GeorgiaBuck2]

OSU is now 4th in 247 composite rankings, 6th on ESPN, and 7th on Rivals and Scout.

 

[leek]

I didn't say the last person offered, I said he was the last commit in the 02 class, but then again there are my words being spun again. He was the last recruit to COMMIT in the 02 class, which he was. I was just using him as an example as a 3 star who played like a 5 star. I know rankings are wrong all the time. But that doesn't change the fact that you try to get all the 5 stars possible. I'm not throwing this class under the bus or anything but the way this class has played out will keep a few really good recruits out of it because of numbers. That's all I'm saying.

It's funny you say that about 5 stars. There is some truth to your assertion. For the most part, star rankings are based on observed talent and measurables. If you or I decide to check further, we can probably watch some video, some TV and attend some games. That's pretty much what the paid experts do. That tells very little about the player- the person under consideration.

There are several really great books on the art of scouting and even a few about recruiting that shed a different light on this process. Coaches meet the families, talk with team mates, meet the kid multiple times, talk to opponents and if they are great recruiters get a complete 360 analysis of the player. Measurables, the kind that impress me or the average fan are just table stakes. I was at a party once and had the opportunity to meet the owner of an NFL team. He made an interesting statement. I am paraphrasing because he actually named team names, "the week teams draft the best player available while the really strong teams like the Patriots, Steelers and Ravens draft the best Patriot, Steeler or Raven available, guy that fits their team and it's plan.those teams know what that looks like."
The magic is in evaluation of the intangibles. That's why Woody always claimed you win with people.

If anyone gets a chance, it is eye opening to look into the scouting of a guy named Tony Lucadello who was a baseball scout from Findlay. His story really shines light on the process of finding winners.

 

[Krenzelicious]

I think I first had this conversation/argument on Bucknuts in 2000 or 2001 with Clarity and Mililani. We probably disagreed at the time. Can't remember and don't care anymore. I've watched this argument take place at least 5 times per year every single year since then. I rarely ever chime in anymore because none of it really matters. Star ratings are sometimes accurate; sometimes they aren't. I am simply glad that Buckeye coaching staffs generally have a better feel/instinct than most for who will live up to the hype and who won't...and who will generate their own hype in spite of a low star-rating. They are certainly more qualified to make these guesses than most, if not all, of the internet recruiting services. And they are definitely more qualified than any of us fools. So relax, watch the staff do an excellent job, and enjoy it.