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2011 SEC Football Discussion

buckeyemania11;2042171; said:
I still stick by my thought that if a team does not win their own conference (let alone own division) they have no business playing for the national title

I kind of think the pollsters think the same way after the Nebraska debacle in 2001

I'll stick by my thought that IF Arkansas wins at LSU they deserve a shot regardless if they play in the SEC Championship game. I don't expect them to win, but if they do they'll have earned either an SEC Championship bid or a bid in the BCS. OK by me in this particular season.
 
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matcar;2042175; said:
I'll stick by my thought that IF Arkansas wins at LSU they deserve a shot regardless if they play in the SEC Championship game. I don't expect them to win, but if they do they'll have earned either an SEC Championship bid or a bid in the BCS. OK by me in this particular season.

i'll give you that.....but 2 team from the same conference playing in the football title game should not happen IMO

this year is tough though, it might happen....I could see Va Tech catapulting into the title game if they beat UVA and beat Clemson in the ACC title game....maybe even Okie State if they can beat Oklahoma by a decent margain....those are the only 2 scenarios that could prevent the SEC vs SEC title game more than likely, I doubt an undefeated Houston would be vaulted into the title game
 
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Perhaps this has been asked and answered, but if Georgia wins the title game and gets the automatic BCS berth do two of the current top three teams in the country get relegated to non-BCS bowls?
 
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buckeyemania11;2042171; said:
I still stick by my thought that if a team does not win their own conference (let alone own division) they have no business playing for the national title
Don't agree. If a one loss team losses a close one to the undisputed #1, it is hard to say that such a team is not qualified to be in the BCSNC due to the misfortune of being in the same division as the undisputed #1.

The process is meant to match up the best two teams. The M*ch*g*n-Florida debate was resolved by the human vote. Was it a desire to rig the system to avoid a B1G rematch - or just a sincere belief that the teams playing the rematch (or one of those teams) was not better than the team that slipped in a hundreths of a point lower? Who knows. But as homerish as it sounds, after five SEC BCSNCs in a row by four different teams, the SEC will get a "bump" or pass on their head to head with a non-SEC conference team with a similar won-loss record. I would argue that is not "unfair", but very sound and logical, given the on the field performance the last five years. The solution to this inequity, of course, is for a non-SEC conference to win a few BCSNC games over their SEC opponent.

Which is all to say, as long as there is a perception that the SEC is the premier conference (at the top of the conference at least), then the mere fact of a #2 team being a non-division winner will be "trumped" by the SEC reputation despite that lack of a division or conference win....for now any way.
 
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Oh8ch;2042179; said:
Perhaps this has been asked and answered, but if Georgia wins the title game and gets the automatic BCS berth do two of the current top three teams in the country get relegated to non-BCS bowls?

From the previous page:

#1 and #2 go to the BCS Title game. That takes precedence over anything else. If UGA wins the SEC CCG, and two other SEC teams end up 1-2 in the BCS, the SEC would actually get 3 teams in the BCS.

There's normally a limit of 2 teams per conference, but that limit dosn't apply in this case - they clarified it a couple of years ago when the Big XII looked like it could have ended up in the same scenario.

But Arkansas plays at LSU after Thanksgiving. If Arkansas wins, and if Bama wins the Iron Bowl, the SEC West will have a 3-way tie where each team beat the other one. The tiebreaker goes to the head-to-head between the top 2 teams in the BCS, assuming they're within 5 spots, which they surely would be.

In the event of the SEC West 3-way tie:
If Bama is the lowest BCS ranked of the 3, Arkansas would get the SEC CCG.
If Ark is the lowest BCS ranked of the 3, LSU would get the SEC CCG,
If LSU is the lowest BCS ranked of the 3, Bama would get the SEC CCG.

I think most of the computers would have LSU still at #1, even if they lose to Arkansas. But losing late usually hurts in the human polls.
 
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it is fitting that this year should likewise have an ugly NC race. I dislikes Bama getting a bump over quality 1 loss teams, but quality is not a word that first most of the top ten... at least not in the context of a NC berth.

Bama is going to get it, and hopefully it expedites the superconferences and a playoff. Congress will certainly overstep their bounds if a third place sec team makes it in.

Gatorubet;2042187; said:
The M*ch*g*n-Florida debate was resolved by the human vote. Was it a desire to rig the system to avoid a B1G rematch - or just a sincere belief that the teams playing the rematch (or one of those teams) was not better than the team that slipped in a hundreths of a point lower? Who knows.
:lol: yeah, it was a largely ignored subject... and certainly no southern fans screaming bloody murder over that possibility driven by bias.
But as homerish as it sounds, after five SEC BCSNCs in a row by four different teams, the SEC will get a "bump" or pass on their head to head with a non-SEC conference team with a similar won-loss record. I would argue that is not "unfair", but very sound and logical, given the on the field performance the last five years. The solution to this inequity, of course, is for a non-SEC conference to win a few BCSNCNC games over their SEC opponent.
the top team, or top two, have not been the problem. as we've said ad nauseum, it is the coattail riding.

Arkansas has not looked like a NC caliber team, but because of things they didn't do, in seasons they didn't play in, the leeches ride actual powerhouses to borrowed glory.

how absurd is it that Arkansas not only gets inflated based on completely different seasons, but that they laughably get a bump for other sec success, when there were the only team to ever lose to the heavily disrespected buckeyes ?

it isn't UF, Bama 08, 09 that are the problem, nor LSU Bama.

it is the teams that are quite underwhelming, like Arkansas or South Carolina, who don't even have to earn it any more. they just get to ride the accomplishments of others and try to not screw it up.
Which is all to say, as long as there is a perception that the SEC is the premier conference (at the top of the conference at least), then the mere fact of a #2 team being a non-division winner will be "trumped" by the SEC reputation despite that lack of a division or conference win....for now any way.
well the question there becomes, how long until Ohio State or VA Tech not only has to win every game, but also has to not look bad in any of them to stay ahead of a 1 loss Bama...

...meanwhile teams like Arkansas are free to lose very badly once but still get a shot at a NC because of what better programs have done?
 
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jwinslow;2042257; said:
...meanwhile teams like Arkansas are free to lose very badly once but still get a shot at a NC because of what better programs have done?

In order for Arkansas to have a shot, they have to win at LSU this week. If they do that, they will have gotten a split out of two games played in Tuscaloosa and Baton Rouge, and won all 10 of their other games.

Do you really think in that scenario, any team besides LSU or Alabama deserves to be placed ahead of Arkansas into the BCS Title Game?

Who else is out there for the BCS to select ahead of Arkansas?

Stanford, Oklahoma State, Va Tech, Boise State, Houston? I can't put any of them above Arkansas. Oklahoma State might have the best case, but they just lost at Iowa friggin' State.

What would be interesting to see is if Arkansas wins a highly entertaining game at LSU, who would stay at #1 in most of the computers, even if they lose. Then the human voters have to decide if they want to rig the BCS to set up a Title game rematch between LSU and Arkansas, rather than LSU and Alabama, which a lot of folks found very ugly to watch.
 
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BB73;2042329; said:
In order for Arkansas to have a shot, they have to win at LSU this week. If they do that, they will have gotten a split out of two games played in Tuscaloosa and Baton Rouge, and won all 10 of their other games.

Do you really think in that scenario, any team besides LSU or Alabama deserves to be placed ahead of Arkansas into the BCS Title Game?

Who else is out there for the BCS to select ahead of Arkansas?
they will have put themselves in the discussion after that, but certainly won't have done as much as lsu.

the field is awful, which is why I no longer object to an sec NC game.

my beef with scar and Arkansas is more of a season long thing. nice team but really have not resembled a NC caliber team like Bama lsu
 
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jwinslow;2042420; said:
they will have put themselves in the discussion after that, but certainly won't have done as much as lsu.

the field is awful, which is why I no longer object to an sec NC game.

my beef with scar and Arkansas is more of a season long thing. nice team but really have not resembled a NC caliber team like Bama lsu

I think Arky HAS assembled a good season. Yes, they did get it handed to them in Tuscaloosa and if that also happens in Baton Rouge, then obviously this discussion is pointless. But if they win at LSU, I think they've had a heck of a season. (and yes, a heck of a season in one where there the same caliber of teams don't appear to exist as has been the case in prior years.)
 
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You think this dynamic is f'ed up now. Wait it Georgia struts into the dome and beats the absolute piss out of LSU in two weeks.
That'll fix their little red wagon.

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BigWoof31;2042525; said:
You think this dynamic is f'ed up now. Wait it Georgia struts into the dome and beats the absolute [censored] out of LSU in two weeks.
That'll fix their little red wagon.

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I really, really, really think the piggies take the Corn Dogs in Red Stick. Arkansas has a quick strike ability, and if the tiggers are behind, then an LSU interception fest led by Jefferson is not an unlikely panic induced response.

The BCS deserves that kind of clusterfuck, so I am all for it.

All Georgia may do in that case is decide which one loss non-SECCG playing SEC team goes to the NC game.
 
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