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2012 Rivals/Scout/etc. National & Regional Rankings

ESPN just pulls things out of their butts so don't care, really wondering how we're behind Florida on 247 and rivals. Average is better, more commits, they have 1 more 5* on rivals but we have 3 more 4*, doesn't make much sense.

If we get Diggs though obviously will be ahead and vice versa.
 
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Joe6809;2101798; said:
Well, I figured it would be good for my health to end the day with a good laugh. So naturally, I checked ESPN's recruiting rankings. Let's take a peak at Ohio State and Georgia, shall we?

Five Stars:
Ohio State 1, Georgia 1. Ohio State's is ranked 4th in the country, Georgia's is ranked 5th. Ohio State wins.
Four Stars:
Ohio State 11, Georgia 9. Ohio State wins.
Three Stars:
Ohio State 12, Georgia 8. Ohio State wins.

Final rankings: Georgia 5th place, Ohio State 6th place

So, in ESPN's own recruiting rankings, based on the ratings that ESPN themselves assigned to each player, Ohio State is higher than Georgia, but STILL ranked below them.

Slow down there buddy. Logic, fairness, and sound thinking have no part in recruiting rankings.
 
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I like the fact the team sites that have deals with ESPN -- TTUN is one of them -- will always be in their Top 10 for recruiting rankings.

Driving up subscriptions.

Still enjoying that I haven't broken a long-time New Year's resolution of avoiding ESPN.com and CBSSports.com like the plague.
 
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According to Scout's scoring system, we would pass Bama for second place if we land Diggs and not sure how it works for Rivals, but there is a good chance we would pass Florida and Texas for second place on Rivals it looks like (down by 39 points to Florida, 99 to Texas).
 
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RB07OSU;2102358; said:
According to Scout's scoring system, we would pass Bama for second place if we land Diggs

Nope. Right now we're 262 points behind Alabama (4861-4599). We'd get 295 points for Diggs (200 points his being a 5-star and 95 points for his being #6 at his position). But we'd lose at least 40 points because they only count the top 25 commits and we'd drop the lowest rated commit (likely Southward, 3-star #118 WR, worth 40 points). Thus, we'd get a net gain of 255 points, leaving us 7 points short of tying and 8 points short of jumping Alabama.
 
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Didn't catch that stipulation but either way, that would be a heck of a finish (already is) and curious to be ranked the #3 team by both Scout and Rivals with the usual disparity between the two services.
 
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Joe6809;2101798; said:
Well, I figured it would be good for my health to end the day with a good laugh. So naturally, I checked ESPN's recruiting rankings. Let's take a peak at Ohio State and Georgia, shall we?

Five Stars:
Ohio State 1, Georgia 1. Ohio State's is ranked 4th in the country, Georgia's is ranked 5th. Ohio State wins.
Four Stars:
Ohio State 11, Georgia 9. Ohio State wins.
Three Stars:
Ohio State 12, Georgia 8. Ohio State wins.

Final rankings: Georgia 5th place, Ohio State 6th place

So, in ESPN's own recruiting rankings, based on the ratings that ESPN themselves assigned to each player, Ohio State is higher than Georgia, but STILL ranked below them.
Herbie was tired when he filled out his ballot?
 
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Interesting ESPN article (Peter Keating) on recruit rankings:

DURING THE PAST YEAR, the past year, colleges have spent millions of dollars and thousands of hours scouting high school football players, breaking them down on film, ranking them on secret lists, feting them with parties and hostesses and luring them with scholarship offers. On Feb. 1, national signing day, we'll get to see which programs did the best job in their recruiting. What could be more fun? If your favorite school lands the best athletes in the country, it will lead to years of bowl victories and contending for national championships, right?

Not so fast, my friends. New research shows that the connection between landing top preps and winning games is shockingly weak -- so much so that fans should rethink how they judge a coach's recruiting efforts.

Four major services rate football recruits on a scale of one to five stars: ESPN, Rivals, Scout and 24/7 Sports. Sometimes these rankings differ, but there's usually at least a rough consensus among the services about most players. This year, for example, they all agree that safety Landon Collins, receivers Stefon Diggs and Dorial Green-Beckham, defensive tackle Eddie Goldman and quarterback Gunner Kiel are among the game's best prospects.

But getting any of them to sign a letter of intent doesn't guarantee much. Winthrop Intelligence, a college sports research outfit, recently analyzed every recruiting class from 2006 to 2010, tracking how more than 11,000 prep stars affected their college programs' success. Winthrop found no correlation between the number of recruits with three or more stars on an FBS team and its subsequent winning percentages. "We checked more than 100 performance statistics, including points, yards and touchdowns," the company writes in a report. "We found no significant relationship between higher-ranked recruiting classes and better performance statistics."

Why? Kevin Barefoot, Winthrop's director of marketing, offers one obvious explanation: "Talent evaluation is subjective," he says. I'll offer another reason: There's no sure path from prowess to greatness for teenage athletes. Lots of players stop developing physically in college, while others get injured or lose motivation or transfer to other schools. Last year, The Mag looked at players who had been the No. 1 high school recruit in the country in the past 25 years. The list included a few players who proceeded to dominate in college, such as Vince Young and Ted Ginn Jr., but it also included a couple of flameouts like Xavier Crawford, Marquette Smith, Randy Fasani and Kyle Wright.

So if the quality of recruits doesn't determine a program's success, what does? Well, D. Shane Miller, a doctoral student at the University of Arizona, recently compared winning percentages for major-conference teams with the average ranking of their recruiting classes since 2008. Like Winthrop, Miller found a weak overall correlation, but he also discovered that certain programs do seem to over- or underachieve given what they have to work with. Kansas State, for example, exceeded expectations more than any other school, while Ole Miss underperformed most drastically. Miller thinks that's largely because of coaching. As he puts it: "No one should ever hire Houston Nutt."

Entire article: http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=7494471&lang=ES&wjb=

Bottom line: Some coaches are better than others at identifying talented players suited for their systems and molding their skills, whatever the star system says. In the past four years, for example, Texas' recruits rated higher than Boise State's, Florida State's higher than Oklahoma State's. But the Broncos and Cowboys have combined for an .867 winning percentage versus .685 for the Longhorns and Seminoles. And the impact of coaching extends beyond the confines of Saturday's playing fields. From 2006 to 2010, Frank Beamer of Virginia Tech and Brian Kelly of Cincinnati and Notre Dame each coached 15 players who received two stars or fewer as recruits; the NFL later drafted all of them.
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It turns out coaching is really about coaching, not recruiting.
 
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So every 2* Beamer and Kelly coached between 2006-2010 got drafted? Yeah that's nonsense.

Article has a really narrow view of recruiting and don't agree with much of it. You can have success recruiting lower ranked kids but the best teams get the best players and develop them.

May have a weak correlation to win %, there is a very strong correlation between national champions and the top 5 BCS conference teams and recruiting. If you want to be elite you better recruit elite players.
 
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