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2015-16 Ohio State Quarterback Discussion

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I concur with Zander and I have said this from the beginning of the year, CJ holds the ball too long, doesn't throw on time, doesn't throw anyone open, doesn't read the defense quick enough, and the ball comes out SLOW I don't care how hard he throws it. He consistently under throws the deep ball too, yet I am sure we will have to listen to the bullshit myth that we have no deep threat even though tonight Mike, Marshal, Brax, and Samuel were way the hell behind the defense more than once. And the ball didn't get there.
 
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CARDALE JONES DOES ENOUGH TO LEAD OHIO STATE TO VICTORY AGAINST MINNESOTA, BUT THE QUARTERBACK SAGA CONTINUES

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Cardale Jones knew the question was coming, and when it finally did, he heaved a heavy sigh and answered in the way he felt most suitable.

How did the redshirt junior, who is now 11-0 as Ohio State's starting quarterback, play in his team's latest victory, a 28-14 decision under the Ohio Stadium lights Saturday against Minnesota?

"Below average," Jones said. "That's my opinion."

Statistically, Jones did enough against the Golden Gophers to lead No. 3 Ohio State to its ninth win of 2015 and 29th consecutive Big Ten regular season victory. He finished 12-of-22 passing for 187 yards and one touchdown, while running the ball 12 times for 65 yards and the game-sealing touchdown in the fourth quarter on a 38-yard scamper.

"Well, just the accuracy in the throw game. I feel like — it's hard for me to say now that, because I don't see — I'm down on the field, and you can't see a thing down there," Urban Meyer said. "They (stop the run), we have to be able to hit (shots down the field). And when we do, we move the ball."

Jones hit a pair of those Saturday, namely to Jalin Marshall for 44 yards and then later to Braxton Miller for 45. Neither went for touchdowns, but put the Buckeyes in position to score. They did on the drive after Marshall's big catch when Ezekiel Elliott weaved his way 15 yards to the end zone on the next play, but failed on the latter after Jack Willoughby missed a 35-yard field goal. Jones also threw a beautiful ball to Michael Thomas' back shoulder to give Ohio State a 21-0 lead in the third.

In what began as a sluggish game for both teams — neither scored until inside the five-minute mark of the second quarter on Vonn Bell's interception return for a touchdown — Ohio State took a step back offensively with Jones at quarterback after torching Rutgers for 49 points two weeks earlier when J.T. Barrett accounted for five touchdowns.

Barrett brings a run element to the offense that Jones simply cannot, with quicker feet and faster decision-making that allows the read-option and quarterback run game to thrive in Meyer's offense.

"Definitely not as well as J.T.'s," Jones said of his running style. "I'm not as quick, but I'm kind of hard to tackle. It takes about 10-12 yards to get my speed kicked in."

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...io-state-to-victory-against-minnesota-but-the

Only at Ohio State: A quarterback goes 11-0 as a starter (and has a National Championship on his resume too); and everyone (including me) wants the "other guy" to start.
 
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I might be in the minority but I'd be ok with Cardale getting the start against Illinois as more of the punishment/wake-up call to JT. Cardale starts and plays like we were doing with JT in the red zone. Maybe later in the game if JT is really effective and Cardale not playing so well then JT the entire field.

I know Meyer doesnt take the punishment stuff lightly but only sitting one game, and being in the press box on the headsets to boot, doesnt feel like a whole lot for a captain to go through. He could even sit him the entire first half and beat Illinois so I'm not worried about the next game. MSU losing this week takes a lot of the luster off that game now too unfortunately so I'd just want to be full speed ahead when we go north.
 
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I'm fine with JT starting. He made a mistake and served his punishment. Making him sit another quarter/half isn't going to make him feel any worse about what has occurred or drive the point home anymore than what has already been done. It is clear he makes this team go and can overcome the inept play calling that we have seen consistently on display this year.
 
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I have intentionally not weighed in on the qb discussion until now. My personal preference has been JT, but I have cheered equally hard for both of them. JT made a very bad decision 9 days ago, and he was punished. I believe the punishment was sufficient. Even though he was in the press box, it had to be extremely tough on him watching his teammates struggle and believing he could be helping them, except for his poor decision.

Cardale has been given every chance to run Meyer's offense. JT is just clearly a better choice for this offense. Last night the offense scored 14 points in the first 57 minutes. I watched Cardale miss open receivers, hold onto the ball too long, and not run when he had rolled out of the pocket and could easily have moved the sticks. The Bucks are within 6 wins of another Undisputed National Championship. Nothing can be taken for granted in any of those games. I truly hope JT starts next week and they get off to a fast start against Illinois. Another slow start like last night will just give Illinois confidence and keep them believing they can win.
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
I might be in the minority but I'd be ok with Cardale getting the start against Illinois as more of the punishment/wake-up call to JT. Cardale starts and plays like we were doing with JT in the red zone. Maybe later in the game if JT is really effective and Cardale not playing so well then JT the entire field.

I know Meyer doesnt take the punishment stuff lightly but only sitting one game, and being in the press box on the headsets to boot, doesnt feel like a whole lot for a captain to go through. He could even sit him the entire first half and beat Illinois so I'm not worried about the next game. MSU losing this week takes a lot of the luster off that game now too unfortunately so I'd just want to be full speed ahead when we go north.
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Definitely in the minority. JT served his punishment. Would be a horrible coaching strategy to say, " Oh by the way, you're sitting the first half this game as well." You may not be worried about Illi but this team needs to hit stride. For that to happen, JT needs in game reps. I'd rather he find his stride against Illi rather than MCH ST.
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
I might be in the minority but I'd be ok with Cardale getting the start against Illinois as more of the punishment/wake-up call to JT. Cardale starts and plays like we were doing with JT in the red zone. Maybe later in the game if JT is really effective and Cardale not playing so well then JT the entire field.

I know Meyer doesnt take the punishment stuff lightly but only sitting one game, and being in the press box on the headsets to boot, doesnt feel like a whole lot for a captain to go through. He could even sit him the entire first half and beat Illinois so I'm not worried about the next game. MSU losing this week takes a lot of the luster off that game now too unfortunately so I'd just want to be full speed ahead when we go north.
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Punishmentis done with. You don't try and make a point with our 2 most important games of the regular season following Illinois. JT needs as many game reps as possible since he's had one start this season and has had very limited PT as is. He was suspensed for Minny, time to move on and get the job down the next 3 games. No luster whatsoever has been lost for the MSU game, matter of fact, please believe that Dantonio will have MSU playing like some hungry dogs getting thrown a bone, as with scUM. Nothing more that either team would want than to make their season memorable by beating OSU and knocking us out of playoff contention
 
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Welp, what I saw, or think I saw, was an offense that doesn't want to give Cardale a style that fits what he can do. I think I saw a pair of coordinators who don't seem to know what plays call consistently. When they finally allowed Cardale to run the middle his play picked up. I saw a QB who doesn't have a Devon Smith to go up and get his long throws. I saw a team that can't count on it's kicker for field goals or keeping the kick off in bounds. Funny, seems to be a lot of that going around these last few years - Northwestern, Iowa, Indiana, Penn State to name a few I'm aware of - but we Buckeye fans have been spoiled most seasons by reliable kickers.

And I don't know what to think about the continuation of errant snaps by Buckeye centers - a trait that seems in my mind to have begun with Doug Datish in the Michigan game of 2006 and carried through in most seasons since to include Jacoby Boren in 2014 and 2015. Maybe in happens to all teams, but I only notice it when the Buckeyes do it, like the way I notice that Willoughby seems to always let one kick off get away from him each game.

Still, it was a win and one with potential to remove the #1 burden from this team for the next few weeks, something which I think may improve their mental state.
 
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