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2016-2017 Ohio State Men's Basketball (Official Thread)

We had Jeff Boals up until last year, and Alan Major is back although I don't know if he works with players at all.

It probably is a combination of Paulus/Dickerson not being ideal assistants and bad players (who I guess they brought in). Anyway Thad doesn't strike me as someone willing to fire his assistants, so I guess we are stuck with them
Paulus/Dickerson are a major issue, IMO. Jent is supposedly a good coach, but we sure aren't seeing it on the court or on the recruiting trail. If Matta wants to turn this around, I think he needs to totally overhaul his staff. A major problem there is his job security has to be viewed as "tenuous" at best going into next year. Good luck trying to lure good coaches here under that cloud.
 
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A major problem there is his job security has to be viewed as "tenuous" at best going into next year. Good luck trying to lure good coaches here under that cloud.

Bingo. That situation isn't a pretty one but it is cloud hanging over the program because the time to fire bad and hire good assistants while Thad's job was less "tenuous" has come and gone with little to no success.

So it's up to Thad. The problem is, with little competitive talent on the roster, none coming in, a mind-boggling offensive philosophy and near non-existent defense, what is there to really expect? That brings the question...what is the point of keeping anyone around for another year?
 
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Bingo. That situation isn't a pretty one but it is cloud hanging over the program because the time to fire bad and hire good assistants while Thad's job was less "tenuous" has come and gone with little to no success.

So it's up to Thad. The problem is, with little competitive talent on the roster, none coming in, a mind-boggling offensive philosophy and near non-existent defense, what is there to really expect? That brings the question...what is the point of keeping anyone around for another year?
We have one of those?
 
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We have one of those?

That's what is so mind boggling. Regardless of what it was, it was a philosophy, right?

I was being generous about the defense as well. When you give up a hundred at home on senior night to a team that didn't make the tourney...near non-existent is putting it nice.
 
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A major problem there is his job security has to be viewed as "tenuous" at best going into next year. Good luck trying to lure good coaches here under that cloud.

Which is why it's usually best to part ways with a coach when their status is viewed as "tenuous", even if his boss says otherwise. Perception usually becomes reality once assistants and recruits shy away from what was seen as a quality opportunity in the past. Once the snowball starts rolling down the hill it's difficult to turn it around.
 
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That's what makes this all confusing... even if there was 4 rounds in the NBA draft I wouldn't take any of the OSU players. Yet we have kids leaving early to go play maybe 5 years if their lucky in Europe.

So now when they come back and want to finish up their degree now they'll have to come out of pocket for it. With most likely money they won't have because they're going to blow whatever little cash they get.

If you average barely 10 points a game on a team that was desperate for a playmaker then there should be no discussion on deciding to stay or go pro.

Just another bone headed decision...As for Thad. I was hoping he would retire because we aren't going to be any good next year either and I'd hate to see him get canned.
 
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Your list includes nobody recruited after 2011 aside from Thompson. The 2012 class-on is when this slide started. Probably not coincidentally, that's when most of Matta's better assistants left. And ultimately, isn't it the coach's job to motivate the players to put in the work? He had essentially an entire class wash out after one year. That's either a stunningly poor judgment of talent/character, or an utter failure of coaching. Neither of those options are particularly appealing for the future of this program under Thad Matta. One or two guys coming off as lazy, and/or having flippant attitudes towards the game can be labeled as "bad apples", an entire roster? Not so much. Something stinks beyond just lazy/uncommitted players.

Name one player from the 2012 class onward that you would say "developed" here. Thompson is arguable; he had his moments, but was also prone to some horrible mistakes, mostly of the foul variety. It's worth noting he was a transfer. D'Angelo Russell was an elite talent that played like one. I suppose you could include him, but I think he'd have succeeded pretty much anywhere.

Amir Williams, Sam Thompson, Shannon Scott, Marc Loving, Kam Williams, Jae'Sean Tate...all of these guys received significant playing time over multiple years, and none made or have made significant leaps in their game...and I'm not talking superficial statistical bumps due to increased minutes. tOSU has had one player that came through this program since 2012 playing in the NBA (Russell). ONE. And it's not a stretch to say none of this year's exits are heading that way.

I think Matta's biggest issue has been questionable assistant hires. As his purported health issues started, one would assume he would have to lean more on his staff. Clearly the staff isn't getting it done. Ultimately, that falls on Matta.
This
 
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Let's pretend we didn't finish 11th in one of the most down years in the B1G in a long time, and we lost in the first damn round of the B1G tourney.

Why the fuck are we the 4th, MAYBE, 4th best damn team in the state of Ohio? That is beyond unacceptable.
 
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No college degree is required to be the minimum wage fry guy at McD's and that's exactly what NBA DL money equates to.
Yes but a college degree is required to be anymore than a fry cook at McD's. Not so for a career in the NBA or overseas.

They do however require an elite level of ability to play basketball. One would think success at the college level would be an indicator of possessing said ability and that, subsequently, a lack of success in college would indicate it's absence.




The world is full of guys over 6' that are semi athletic. They are not at all qualified to play professional basketball. The bar is considerably higher.
I said athletic over 6' and semi-decent at basketball.


If a persons only goal is still professional basketball after being just average (or worse) in college then that person is truly an idiot and headed for some hard times as life teaches the painful lesson of bed decisions = bad results.

Backup plans (like a free college degree) are usually a good idea just in case those lottery ticket odds on being drafted by the NBA don't hit.
Not really. The NBA (and Europe) has proven time and again they'll draft players if they have decent measurables regardless of their skill level.[/QUOTE]
 
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Yes but a college degree is required to be anymore than a fry cook at McD's. Not so for a career in the NBA or overseas.

No

I said athletic over 6' and semi-decent at basketball.

Then what are we talking about anyone on Ohio State's roster for?

Not really. The NBA (and Europe) has proven time and again they'll draft players if they have decent measurables regardless of their skill level.

No they haven't. Regardless of skill? Getting stashed away in Czechoslovakia as a project to never be seen again doesn't count and is the opposite of making it professionally. No better than D-League, which is the point. If you are no better than a D-League hopeful, school is your best bet.
 
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Yes.

Then what are we talking about anyone on Ohio State's roster for?
Trevor Thompson to my knowledge is the only who has declared early.

No they haven't. Skill does factor in. It's not, "Hey, the guy can't dribble or shoot but he's tall. Sign him."
Then how the fuck do you explain B.J. Mullens getting drafted in the first round despite having a worse stat line than Trevor Thompson's final year?
 
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Here is what I don't understand about the effort level this year...I would have given my everything to wear that jersey and hit that floor as a Buckeye. Ohio State isn't something that you settle for. It's a destination that fulfills a dream. I'm sorry that some of these guys this year didn't see it with the same enthusiasm. I don't know their stories and I'm not judging. I am so incredibly disappointed and I hope they are too.
 
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Be sure to tell that to the 16 year old girls working cash register. Even managers don't need a degree. They are just people who started on at the bottom and then learned all the jobs, worked their way up and passed some computer training and certification by McDonald's. It's all on the internet. It's not a secret.

Trevor Thompson to my knowledge is the only who has declared early.

Yes. And you said semi-decent.

Then how the fuck do you explain B.J. Mullens getting drafted in the first round despite having a worse stat line than Trevor Thompson's final year?

You said "regardless of skill." Mullens would be the best player on this years team.
 
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Be sure to tell that to the 16 year old girls working cash register. Even managers don't need a degree. They are just people who started on at the bottom and then learned all the jobs, worked their way up and passed some computer training and certification by McDonald's. It's all on the internet. It's not a secret.
Errr ok? I'll take your word for it.


Yes. And you said semi-decent.
Trevor Thompson is semi-decent breh no matter how much you want to hate this team.


You said "regardless of skill." Mullens would be the best player on this years team.
The only thing Mullens would have bested Thompson in is lack of fouls.
 
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Errr ok? I'll take your word for it.

That's odd because you seemed sooo sure. Google is your friend before you make clueless statements and try to pass them off as fact.

Trevor Thompson is semi-decent breh no matter how much you want to hate this team.

He plays college basketball so I suppose that makes him semi-decent. Anyone who goes on to play college ball could probably fit in to that category. But since we are talking semi-decent in terms of the NBA, no. Sixty guys will get drafted. Sixty. That includes plenty of one-and-dones and junior/senior players from the 68! teams that made the tournament (which Ohio State isn't a part of.) It includes seniors that have developed from four years on teams that didn't make it. Then there is Thompson. Not a star or a guy who really developed, a guy who still has a year to develop but says fuck it, I'll go to the draft instead. He put up 8 pts and 11 rebounds vs. Rutgers! to finish the season.

The only thing Mullens would have bested Thompson in is lack of fouls.

Mullens averaged 9 pts a game (averaging 20 mpg) on 64% shooting as a freshman. Safe to say he was a better scorer than Thompson's 10.6 a game on 57% shooting (his best career %) as a junior.
 
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