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2016 tOSU Offense Discussion

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Systems_id said:
I'm saying make him JUST TE coach, get rid of Beck, and have the new OC be the OC in charge and the QB coach.
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Gotcha. Sorry didn't read that through. But Warriner as TE only is a waste. He needs to be oline or OC. TE only coaches tend to be more recruitniks than most other positions and given that Warriner isn't considered a recruiting stud.
 
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AuTX Buckeye said:
Gotcha. Sorry didn't read that through. But Warriner as TE only is a waste. He needs to be oline or OC. TE only coaches tend to be more recruitniks than most other positions and given that Warriner isn't considered a recruiting stud.
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True but I'm not sure how you get rid of Stud.
OhioState001 said:
The defense is fine. I'm sure Schiano will be gone but I also don't think I want Charlie anywhere near Columbus
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I still pray to any deity that'll listen Urb chains Schiano in a basement somewhere.
 
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I don't think the play calling is the main issue. Samuel could have used more touches but that's about it. The offensive line was a disaster last night but had but doing quite well considering how much youth is on it. Not to give @cdiddy70 any credit but the WR's have taken a significant step back. Obviously it hurts that Thomas and Marshall are gone but right now our two best receivers are Samuel and Wilson. Brown is ok, would like to see Parris Campbell be more involved in some way (although he did terrible on kickoffs). Clark and McLaurin really need to step up.
 
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OhioState001 said:
I don't think the play calling is the main issue. Samuel could have used more touches but that's about it. The offensive line was a disaster last night but had but doing quite well considering how much youth is on it. Not to give @cdiddy70 any credit but the WR's have taken a significant step back. Obviously it hurts that Thomas and Marshall are gone but right now our two best receivers are Samuel and Wilson. Brown is ok, would like to see Parris Campbell be more involved in some way (although he did terrible on kickoffs). Clark and McLaurin really need to step up.
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Clark and McLaurin have had numerous chances to make plays and have come up empty. Wisconsin more so than Penn State. Not even sure what's going on with Parris Campbell. Feels like he had more touches in the VaTech game alone than he has all year. It'd also be nice if Marcus Baugh would perform consistently.
 
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I will have to re-watch the game (if I can) without the emotion to be sure but anecdotally, I have been yelling in-game (so tifwiw) for 3 weeks that the WR's can't get open or win the 50/50 balls.

Tactically, this is the single biggest positional issue on the team imo. It leads to strategic issues in that opponents simply do not respect OSU's WR's/ability to beat them passing and sell out to stop the run.

Not an expert, just one guys morning after opinions (as of now).
 
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Given Urban's two year policy to assistants he hires, I'm not sure I see Stud leaving in the offseason. I think he's a good coach and has proven that with such a young line.

Like many have said, Beck is a liability. JT has not improved significantly over the last tow years under Beck. Look at his past resume and the trend is concerning. Warner back as the OLine coach would be ideal with Stud as the TE coach. I just don't like the idea going out and getting that "hotshot" Offensive coordinator. Good OC's don't grow on trees and finding the right fit is not easy.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I will have to re-watch the game (if I can) without the emotion to be sure but anecdotally, I have been yelling in-game (so tifwiw) for 3 weeks that the WR's can't get open or win the 50/50 balls.

Tactically, this is the single biggest positional issue on the team imo. It leads to strategic issues in that opponents simply do not respect OSU's WR's/ability to beat them passing and sell out to stop the run.

Not an expert, just one guys morning after opinions (as of now).
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I agree for the most part, but there's things you can do to help, from a schematic standpoint.

Ohio State has the 77th ranked passing attack based on passing yards per game. We shouldn't be Texas Tech, but there teams that are doing more with less. That's the gripe; same as last year. Production is lacking. The brain trust in charge of the passing game (Meyer included) aren't skilled enough in that aspect of the game.
 
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ZONE SICKS

It's no secret the wide receivers are easily the weakest link and they took their ineffectiveness to a new low against Penn State.

Despite Barrett recording a career-high 28 completions only five went to wide receivers, or 18%. That's even worse than versus Indiana when the wideouts logged two grabs out of nine total completions, or 22%.

Noah Brown led the way last night with three catches for 45 yards but dropped another for what would've been about a 10-yard gain.

Parris Campbell recorded one catch for six yards and cost Ohio State a big play when he failed to clear his zone quickly enough, clogging the path of a Samuel route that might have gone for a touchdown. Instead, Ohio State settled for a field goal to take a 3-0 lead.

Believe it or not, Campbell is Ohio State's 2nd-most prolific true wide receiver with nine receptions in seven games. Four of those came against Rutgers.
Parris Campbell is OSU's 2nd-leading true wide receiver with 9 catches in 7 games. Yikes.

Terry McLaurin had one reception for 19 yards but his youth, inexperience and a few drops of his own continue to limit his production.

James Clark has been in the program for a good while now but has just four receptions this year. Last night he was targeted on one of the biggest plays of the year and Barrett's deep ball went off his facemask though that was pretty understandable after the Penn State defender grabbed Clark's right arm and should've been flagged for pass interference.

In a nutshell however the group struggles mightily to gain separation against man coverage.

Barrett will never say it but he clearly doesn't have confidence in this group beyond Brown and it only further exacerbates his own problems of throwing off his back foot on deep balls and waiting too long to get rid of the ball. It looks like he's afraid to throw a guy open; maybe that's a lack of trust in a lot of things?

No matter what it is, it's hard to believe the issues can be remedied quickly and opponents will continue scheming to load the box and stop the run, daring Barrett and the receiving corps to win the game through the air.
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http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...r-special-teams-doom-buckeyes-in-happy-valley
 
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I think the same flaw Urban had at Florida is rearing its head here: recruiting too many raw athletes to play receiver instead of pure receivers. The hit rate is too low. On the bright side, he's addressing it with players like Victor, Mack, Lindsey, and Grimes but in the meantime, we have amazing athletes who don't know how to be receivers which simply negates that athletic edge in the first place.

I was hard on the OL but they actually played well despite JT sipping margaritas in the pocket and predictable playcalling. It just unraveled in spectacular fashion at the end.
 
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