2016 tOSU OL Discussion

[SEREbuckeye]

Well that and they're young as all hell. Remember, this is probably the youngest o-line we've had since Urban has been here. Agreed that the play calling was mostly dog [Mark May].

I heard this same [Mark May], blame the players when our.defejse sucked 4 years ago. I argued then the players were great, the scheme sucked ass which it did. I recall pnut and i disagreeing then too. Shazier and Roby went on yo be all pros. And ash came in and our defense all of the sudden became great again.

Coaching and scheme can make a.great player look avaerage or worse.

If you think the play calling was good last night, then i dont think we cam agree on much.

You both are very much correct.

We do have a young OLine and we do have bad play calling (NOT coaching - Studrawa is doing well). Just as I said in defense of Zach Smith, there's nothing that can be done for inexperience and youth. That won't be solved until this season is complete. So what's the work around then? Stop with the long drawn out pass plays that require the line to sustain the blocks for 10 seconds. Acknowledge the youth and call quick slants and internediate routes that only require quick blocking assignments, something young guys can excel at.

 

[pnuts34]

Yes, that's it. We should have only super WRs and all the woes would disappear.

Super WRs, or have the WRs get separation from DBs, or you know stop rotating guys so much so that JT can have a rhythm with more than 2 guys... It can be done. Other teams do it well...

I heard this same [Mark May], blame the players when our.defejse sucked 4 years ago. I argued then the players were great, the scheme sucked ass which it did. I recall pnut and i disagreeing then too. Shazier and Roby went on yo be all pros. And ash came in and our defense all of the sudden became great again.

Coaching and scheme can make a.great player look avaerage or worse.

If you think the play calling was good last night, then i dont think we cam agree on much.

I think the team has more problems than just play calling and it starts with the O line. A young line in a hostile crowd, followed by little to no connection between so many WRs being played and one QB. Watching them you can tell that JT has rhythm with a few guys and that's it. IMO the scheme wouldn't save either scenario. Just my opinion

 

[Jake]

"Play calling" has a magical way of looking a lot better when your backs aren't getting hit behind the line and your QB isn't running for his life.

 

[Onebuckfan]

Depth and competition.the starters are too comfortable nobody pressing them for playing time.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

Depth and competition.the starters are too comfortable nobody pressing them for playing time.

If the starters are too comfortable then it is up to the coach to make them uncomfortable and to motivate them one way or another. If no one is pressing them for playing time the coaches need to develop the younger guys to start pressing the starters. This all goes back to developing the raw talent we get year in and year out and it does not look like it has been done for the past few years.

 

[Onebuckfan]

If the starters are too comfortable then it is up to the coach to make them uncomfortable and to motivate them one way or another. If no one is pressing them for playing time the coaches need to develop the younger guys to start pressing the starters. This all goes back to developing the raw talent we get year in and year out and it does not look like it has been done for the past few years.

Agree either not developing or poor evaluation in recruiting

 

[bukIpower]

Honestly I think our WR recruiting until as of late has been poor. We have been focusing on 6 foot 190 pound half backs then converting them. Then we take plays like Brown who played RB in high school and make them WRs.

As much as I love Terry McLaurins efforts he's not going to scare a opposing defense. Neither is Dixon, Clark, or Dontre.

Personally they should roll with Brown, Parris, and Samuel.

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

I blame the lack of banners that the posters in this thread have

 

[pnuts34]

Honestly I think our WR recruiting until as of late has been poor. We have been focusing on 6 foot 190 pound half backs then converting them. Then we take plays like Brown who played RB in high school and make them WRs.

As much as I love Terry McLaurins efforts he's not going to scare a opposing defense. Neither is Dixon, Clark, or Dontre.

Personally they should roll with Brown, Parris, and Samuel.

You do realize that Brown, Parris and Samuel are all converted RBs? The only true WRs you mentioned were McLaurin, Dixon and Clark, and they may be the worst WRs... Victor and Mack are ready for CFB yet. JT should primarily work with Brown, Campbell, Wilson, McLaurin and Samuel (though he needs to split time with the RB room). Its pretty sad as a passing offense when our second leading WR has a whopping 9 receptions! That's utterly pathetic, no matter what play is called. The WRs are the absolute weakest link of the entire team, not just the offense

 

[bukIpower]

You do realize that Brown, Parris and Samuel are all converted RBs? The only true WRs you mentioned were McLaurin, Dixon and Clark, and they may be the worst WRs... Victor and Mack are ready for CFB yet. JT should primarily work with Brown, Campbell, Wilson, McLaurin and Samuel (though he needs to split time with the RB room). Its pretty sad as a passing offense when our second leading WR has a whopping 9 receptions! That's utterly pathetic, no matter what play is called. The WRs are the absolute weakest link of the entire team, not just the offense

Yep that's why we are struggling... our truest WRs arent good enough and the ones good enough don't have a lot of experience with the craft.

 

[1926Buckeyes]

"Play calling" has a magical way of looking a lot better when your backs aren't getting hit behind the line and your QB isn't running for his life.

Agree, it's definitely not just one thing. Since the first few weeks we haven't had a lot of big plans outside of Samuel, and a big part of that is the WRs being mediocre and the OL struggling, even without teams stacking the box. Prince especially looks lost, which is frustrating since he looked to be a great prospect coming in. I give Studrawa a pass right now though, as it's his first year and the line is young.

Still, I think the last two years are telling when it comes to the coaching of the offensive philosophy, or lack-there of. None of the coaches are stupid, but it doesn't look like they know what they want the team to be. Similarly to the D in 2012-2013, game plans are inconsistent from week to week, leading to an offense full of tentative players. This makes both coaches and players unconfident in each other, and round and round we go.

I don't think Beck is a terrible coach, and I sure as hell don't think Wariner is a bad coach, but it's simply not working right now. Unless there is some massive improvement, there needs to be some changes this off-season.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

"Play calling" has a magical way of looking a lot better when your backs aren't getting hit behind the line and your QB isn't running for his life.

The OL gave Barrett all day in the first half and all he did was hold onto the ball til the last possible second. That tells me either:

A. Receivers aren't getting open
B. He's not seeing the field well enough

It wasn't til the 4th when the OL collapsed because psu realized we had a high school level passing game and amped up the aggression

 

[calibuck]

Woody said that you could count on losing one game for every freshman that played. Well, I think that today's coaches are doing a whale of alot better than that. However, as noted by most above, freshmen are 18 year old people that were just using their bulk or strength to steamroll their opponents last year. In the big leagues, you cannot do that. I believe we're playing the best we have. Both tackles and a guard got pushed around, and had people run around or thru them. So to pose a question to y'all, if one of the OL is
'leaky', why doesn't Studrawa put someone else in? Saw (Wiscy) Jamarco go out with sprain, but moved Prince over to LT and brought in Bowen, rather than using the second string LT. Is the distance between the 1's and 2's that great? Really, it looked like VaTech all over again, and was just as ugly. Gonna look at the glass half full, and hope that this is the stick of dynamite that gets the attention and gets the Buckeyes started. PS, also agree that JT doesn't have the faith in the receivers that he needs. He looked like he and Baugh were having 'dialogue' on how to play TE, and what's expected on a blitz. Go Bucks!

 

[bukIpower]

Woody said that you could count on losing one game for every freshman that played. Well, I think that today's coaches are doing a whale of alot better than that. However, as noted by most above, freshmen are 18 year old people that were just using their bulk or strength to steamroll their opponents last year. In the big leagues, you cannot do that. I believe we're playing the best we have. Both tackles and a guard got pushed around, and had people run around or thru them. So to pose a question to y'all, if one of the OL is
'leaky', why doesn't Studrawa put someone else in? Saw (Wiscy) Jamarco go out with sprain, but moved Prince over to LT and brought in Bowen, rather than using the second string LT. Is the distance between the 1's and 2's that great? Really, it looked like VaTech all over again, and was just as ugly. Gonna look at the glass half full, and hope that this is the stick of dynamite that gets the attention and gets the Buckeyes started. PS, also agree that JT doesn't have the faith in the receivers that he needs. He looked like he and Baugh were having 'dialogue' on how to play TE, and what's expected on a blitz. Go Bucks!

Because they don't have that track record and unlike most positions you need continuation with the OL

 

[Arch2H]

Prince is slower than molasses in January... He can't play tackle!