That's my thought as well. You can't leave that much speed on the sidelines. Those 2 are almost immediate mismatches in space
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Curtis is a steady contributor for both seasons that simply lost touches to a loaded backfield. He's also a solid lead blocker and all around weapon with good size for multiple positions (as long as the carries are 5-10, not 20+). Dontre is a quick, undersized guy who has struggled to stay healthy and has not been a major contributor since he was literally the only h back on the roster who wasn't redshirting (and even then he was a limited package guy who couldn't stay on the field )
In a perfect world Weber takes over the zeke 2014 role, 18-22 carries with steady, limited touches from Curtis too. If Curtis is a full time h back and occasional tailback, I think he severely dwarfs Dontre. If he has to shoulder a good amount of the workload at tailback, then Dontre plays a lot more (and might even get more rb replacement carries motioning into the backfield , which is not ideal )
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I always get the impression that Wilson is sold short b/c he's being judged against the unrealistic expectations instead of what he's actually done. By 2014 he wasn't a mere decoy anymore and the starting pivot. With the addition of Braxton that role became rather cluttered in 2015.
His production as a receiver is ahead of Samuel, and only slightly behind as a runner -- both of which can be explained by the fact that Samuel spent his Fr season as a pure RB.
350 rush 1 TD / 573 rec 5 TD vs. 515 rush 7 TD / 384 rec 1 TD
These are the 2 skill players with most returning production... even Corey has less receiving yards than both. And Dunn has less rushing than both.
Both are proven threats at the highest level of college football. Barring injuries, I'd be a pretty surprised to not see an "OR" on the depth chart come September - and legitimately splitting snaps and touches.
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I don't expect Dontre to have the same role as before this year, I expect him to move into the Curtis 2015 role and Curtis into the Braxton role, hopefully with competent playcalling and organic touches (as well as actually blocking on the perimeter with Corey and Noah )
I'd be shocked to see him have an equal role to Curtis if the tailback situation is solid to good.
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Going to be a very interesting year and not just because the youthful roster we have coming back, but the great talent coming in with the 2016 recruiting class. To me this might be the hardest depth chart to guess on right now but my wild guess is what makes it fun:
WR1: Corey Smith, Torrance Gibson, KJ Hill
WR2: Noah Brown, Austin Mack, Parris Campbell
Slot: Dontre Wilson, Curtis Samuel (just guessing he spends more time at RB)
TE: Marcus Baugh, Jake Hausmann, Luke Farrell (I think he comes in as an extra blocker primarily, stud edge blocker in the mold of Vannett)
- Biggest x-factor in my mind is if Dixon is healthy...have not heard any word on that front but if he is, he will compete for a starting spot I would imagine. Might also be that McCall is too explosive to keep off the field as well, so keep an eye out for him, especially if Samuel moves back to RB. Finally, you have Binjimen Victor who is going to be a superstar here...I think he might need a redshirt year to get in the gym a bit and adjust, but he might be so naturally talented that we could use him right away. But my thought is that if Gibson is ready to play, we might not need him out there this year. Then you have Mack, who I think could push for a starting spot immediately. In any event, really will be fun to see who emerges in this group.
WR1: Corey Smith, Torrance Gibson, KJ Hill
WR2: Noah Brown, Austin Mack, Parris Campbell
Slot: Dontre Wilson, Curtis Samuel (just guessing he spends more time at RB)
TE: Marcus Baugh, Jake Hausmann, Luke Farrell (I think he comes in as an extra blocker primarily, stud edge blocker in the mold of Vannett)
- Biggest x-factor in my mind is if Dixon is healthy...have not heard any word on that front but if he is, he will compete for a starting spot I would imagine. Might also be that McCall is too explosive to keep off the field as well, so keep an eye out for him, especially if Samuel moves back to RB. Finally, you have Binjimen Victor who is going to be a superstar here...I think he might need a redshirt year to get in the gym a bit and adjust, but he might be so naturally talented that we could use him right away. But my thought is that if Gibson is ready to play, we might not need him out there this year. Then you have Mack, who I think could push for a starting spot immediately. In any event, really will be fun to see who emerges in this group.
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I've stood next to him many times though not this off season.
Curtis is 5-11 and didn't need to grow at all to play the h. Dontre is about 5'8".
Curtis arrived at a very solid 200 (or very close to it)
Dontre arrived at close to 170. Yes I know what they claimed Dontre was. In his final year Dontre might approach what Curtis was as an undeveloped true frosh.
Dontre has grown in size but hasn't played much in the last few years so we don't really know how that increase would have affected his play. His arms are also not going to be the way he learns to run downhill through traffic. He's willing but sleight of build.
Do you have any other thoughts on the rest of my post(s) besides that one word ?
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Thomas is 6'3 and Corey is 6'1, no way Dontre is 5'8", 5'10" looks accurate to me from this picture. Again, I just don't see the "undersized" thing. He is very much built just like the other receivers and H-backs, including Marshal who is listed at 5-11 205. Obviously he has had health issues, however he did get quite a few snaps vs ND, just not touches. The coaches wouldn't have him on the field once he got healthy the last two games if he couldn't block. I don't think he has to run "down hill through traffic" personally, he is an outside guy that is going to make you miss and out run you.
I also think Samuel could handle 20 carries a game myself. There are a ton of backs out there at 200lbs that do it for many other teams, and they aren't as strong as he is. I agree with you that Dontre's touches will be affected by where Samuel plays. If Samuel is the RB then Dontre gets more touches than if Weber is in the mix or Dunn for that matter, I haven't written him off yet. Too bad there is only one football and we can't get Dontre 8 touches, Samuel 20, Weber 15, Dixon, Campbell, Hill, Gibson, et al the ball more.
I also think Samuel could handle 20 carries a game myself. There are a ton of backs out there at 200lbs that do it for many other teams, and they aren't as strong as he is. I agree with you that Dontre's touches will be affected by where Samuel plays. If Samuel is the RB then Dontre gets more touches than if Weber is in the mix or Dunn for that matter, I haven't written him off yet. Too bad there is only one football and we can't get Dontre 8 touches, Samuel 20, Weber 15, Dixon, Campbell, Hill, Gibson, et al the ball more.
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Unless you stand them back-to-back or ensure each is standing up completely straight it's hard to judge height difference down to the inch. Smith looks more than 2 inches shorter than Thomas in this photo, but that could be because he's tilting his head back and to the side a bit. Comparing Wilson to Thomas, there looks to be more than 5 inches difference...more like 6-7 inches.
I agree 100%. He could easily handle 18-22 carries a game...
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Here is another picture of Marshall listed at 5'11 beside Wilson listed at 5'10, and to me looks like an inch, not 3. Wilson has always been listed at 5'10".
Also, Wilson came in to OSU in 2013 listed at 180 not 170 and Samuel came in at 190. Wilson has put on 15 lbs of muscle and Samuel has put on 10. There is not some large difference in size between the two to me anyway.
http://247sports.com/Player/Dontre-Wilson-439?Institution=20901
http://www.footballdb.com/college-football/teams/fbs/ohio-state/roster/2013
Also, Wilson came in to OSU in 2013 listed at 180 not 170 and Samuel came in at 190. Wilson has put on 15 lbs of muscle and Samuel has put on 10. There is not some large difference in size between the two to me anyway.
http://247sports.com/Player/Dontre-Wilson-439?Institution=20901
http://www.footballdb.com/college-football/teams/fbs/ohio-state/roster/2013
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Don't care what his size is really. He was effective out of the slot before the foot injury. If he's healthy, he should be a go for good numbers if our offense is firing like it's capable.
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HorticullyBuck
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I think the ddontre being undersized has more to do with the fact that he appeared to play undersized. It seemed that he went down too easily (not lack of effort)
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Part of me thinks it won't affect Dontre's touches as much. I'd pencil him in for 4-8 a game regardless. But if Samuel is doing more work at RB, it could mean more touches for the next guy up... McCall? Though we've had a couple other guys at that spot on the depth chart before... or could even work an H-end in.
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