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2017-2018 Ohio State Men's Basketball (24-7, 15-3, #2 Seed in B1G Tourney)

posted this elsewhere but:

"End of an era" definitely applies.

I have to say some sort of goodbye to a coach and a man that I love from afar and will respect forever. I watched his press conference and you can see how much this job meant to him and how hard it is for him to lose it. It broke my ****** heart. I did not want it to end like this for him. I know how badly he wanted to win a National Championship for OSU. I dreamed of him doing it. There were times where I thought we were awfully close. There was that '10-11 season that I was even about sure we had the best team in the nation but we had a bad night against a bad match-up in the S16. Or the Thad Five running into the probably the last team ever to be defending champs who also returned multiple first round picks. We had some amazing highs with Thad and up until these past several years, the consistency of excellence was kind of amazing for a program at a football school in a sport where it is harder and harder to get ahead with early entries, transfers, and increasing parity.

Donovan would be our best possible hire right now, an absolute dream hire, yet after that team he had that won back-to-back NCs, he wasn't even achieving at quite the same level that Thad was in the same time frame. Along with all the B1G championships Thad won in the first portion of his career here, there was a stretch where we had the longest S16 streak in the nation, a stretch that included a F4 and an E8. It is going to be exceedingly difficult for any new coach to reach those same heights consistently at OSU. On the positive side, a good coach should eventually be able to exceed where we've been at the past couple seasons, especially last season that didn't even include a NIT bid. I will pray for a great hire, but my hopes and expectations are firmly in check. And the sooner we clean house on these lame duck assistants, the better.

And I will miss Thad, so much. What a great representative of this university, a man full of humor and heart and integrity, and a phenomenal coach. The best basketball coach OSU has ever had. I had hoped he would at least get one or two seasons of some sort of a turn-around (a turn-around that didn't seem like it was going to happen, but I was trying hope that for him), announce a retirement, coach a final game where he got a standing O. He deserved that much. Instead, I will just pray the best for him and his family in whatever happens next for them.

To whoever the new coach ends up being: good luck. You're gonna need it.
 
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Hopefully Holtmann can bring in two of the things this program has been lacking for a while---players who love to compete and players who can shoot
I suspect he will. I've watched a handful of Butler games the past few years, because I'm fond of the program they have, and a couple of things stand out against what we've seen here the past few years:

- A lot of ball movement
- They get after it defensively
- They're a team that obviously practices/focuses on the fundamentals...not a lot of wasted movement, not many bad turnovers, good free throw shooting, an obvious focus on the team.
- They're a "gritty" bunch. Lot of hustle. They're not the most talented teams, but they win by simply playing better basketball.

I suspect that will carry over. And while it may take some time to get his footing, I expect, even though we might not win a ton of games this coming season, we won't spend game threads bitching about lazy/aloof play, poor fundamentals, a bunch of guys that appear to be running around with no real purpose, etc...
 
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I expect, even though we might not win a ton of games this coming season, we won't spend game threads bitching about lazy/aloof play, poor fundamentals, a bunch of guys that appear to be running around with no real purpose, etc...
And that is one of the things that really "irritated" about some of the guys that played under Matta. Here was a head coach who has a bad back and was in probably constant pain one way or another and some of his players could not give everything they had for him. Hopefully, that will all be behind us thankfully.
 
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I suspect he will. I've watched a handful of Butler games the past few years, because I'm fond of the program they have, and a couple of things stand out against what we've seen here the past few years:

- A lot of ball movement
- They get after it defensively
- They're a team that obviously practices/focuses on the fundamentals...not a lot of wasted movement, not many bad turnovers, good free throw shooting, an obvious focus on the team.
- They're a "gritty" bunch. Lot of hustle. They're not the most talented teams, but they win by simply playing better basketball.

I suspect that will carry over. And while it may take some time to get his footing, I expect, even though we might not win a ton of games this coming season, we won't spend game threads bitching about lazy/aloof play, poor fundamentals, a bunch of guys that appear to be running around with no real purpose, etc...

That's encouraging. Thanks for the scouting report. I'm barely familiar with Holtmann. We need an infusion of competitive spirit not only on game day but in the offseason and in practice. Players haven't been improving their game the past few years. They've been the same players as juniors as they were as freshmen. From your report it sounds like that will be changing, which is necessary.
 
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The more I think about it the more I think they might actually somewhat surprise us this season.

I'm not predicting anything crazy but I think they will definitely be better than last year. There is some addition by subtraction and I think Holtmann is the right change in attitude the program needed.

Jae'Sean Tate (he perfectly fits the gritty hustle Butler style IMO) is about as solid as a Senior leader that you can hope for, the cupboard certainly isnt totally bare talent wise, it's not elite Kentucky/Duke/UNC type talent but it's definitely not MAC caliber either. If they buy into what Holtmann is selling from the start we could be pleasantly surprised. Setting the bar low right now though, if they made the NIT i'd happy, the debacles of the last few years have definitely been humbling.
 
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Well, best case scenario, you could see Tate, KBD, and Kam Williams (maybe) make some kind of all-B1G teams, and that's not a bad start.

Tate at least I would say will end up some form of all B1G

KDB needs to stay healthy, Williams needs to be consistent.

It's really all about finding consistency with most of these guys

Even CJ Jackson showed some flashes later last year, especially against Maryland, Indiana & Wisconsin toward the end of the season.

The talent is somewhat there, they just need to figure out how to put it together all the way.
 
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Funderburk has been suspended for "failure to meet team expectations."

A new coach always has to make an example out of someone to show what he expects. Guess he's the guy.

Can't remember who the first guy was who Urban had to discipline to show the rest of the team he meant business.
 
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I'm kinda glad right now that Coach Holtmann is trying to change the mentality of this team.

There were so many times in the last few seasons that a player either wasn't hustling or wasn't playing defense and there was not much accountability. It was like they knew they couldn't get benched.

Hustle, Limit Turnovers and Defense can keep teams in games.
 
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So as much as I loved Coach Matta as a man and a forever Buckeye (Legend), do we possibly have one of the best coaching staffs at OSU, ever, right now? The potential obviously but the age group and the chops already and staff cohesion? Wow.

Put it on the court guys and let's see what happens. Pulling Young over isnt hurting in the least either.
 
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