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2017 tOSU Defense Discussion

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by ScriptOhio, Jan 8, 2017.

  1. maximumblitz

    maximumblitz Buckeye Samurai of Big League Blitzkreig

  2. cincibuck

    cincibuck You kids stay off my lawn!

    Saw something saying Hubbard has been playing LB in some sets - is this looking at the DEs and saying we can spare this guy to use in situation pkgs?
  3. Bill Lucas

    Bill Lucas Senior

    Is thnk it's more about making sure your best 11 are on the field
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  4. RB07OSU

    RB07OSU #7 aka Vick the human joystick Staff Member BP Recruiting Team

    Urban said the 5 best players on the defense are Hubbard, Lewis, Bosa, Holmes and (I think) Jones. Maybe a set trying to get that to happen.
  5. sparcboxbuck

    sparcboxbuck What happened to my ¤cash?

    That's exactly it. Sammy going back to his safety roots.
  6. MaxBuck

    MaxBuck 2014 National Champions!

    Would be interesting to see a 275-lb safety, would it not?
  7. sparcboxbuck

    sparcboxbuck What happened to my ¤cash?

    If he can cover and hit, hellz yeah it would. :wink:
  8. ShowMeBuck

    ShowMeBuck You know what? Chicken butt.

    We already put our corners on an island. Now we are talking about taking a very young group and putting them on an island with one arm tied behind their back. Yes I know a LB comes off the field but it does put added pressure on the DBs doesn't it? If we see a 5 DL set it's because our 2 LBs and the entire secondary is really performing well. At this point, that's a big if to me. But it's interesting spring talk.
  9. pnuts34

    pnuts34 Drunk off of wolverine tears

    I could easily see Worley and Baker being fine with a 5 DL set
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  10. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

    Buckeye Breakdown: The Secondary Newcomers


    In the coming weeks, No Huddle Scouts will provide video analysis of various position groups that are in the midst of shakeups heading into Fall camp. The first look will be at the young secondary as it attempts to fill the void left by three first-round draft picks to last month’s NFL Draft.

    Buckeye Breakdown: Secondary Newcomers

    A hot topic heading into Spring practice was the early enrollees that would be competing for time in the absence of Gareon Conley, Marshon Lattimore, and Malik Hooker. The artists formerly known as the Ohio State secondary have spent the offseason getting drafted and cashing checks, leaving the door open to a new group of talented defensive backs to fill the void.

    Denzel Ward is primed to be the next great defensive back groomed under the tutelage of Kerry Coombs, while Damon Arnette and Damon Webb provide needed experience in the back end of the defense. Josh Norwood and Rodjay Burns had a very good Spring Game, but with their recent departures it does not take a Tasseographer to read those tea leaves. The question remains, who will start opposite Ward in multiple receiver sets?

    Kandall Sheffield could move into a starting role on the outside with Arnette locking down the inside slot receiver. Sheffield brings a great amount of athleticism and a physical style to be a dependable cornerback heading into the season. The redshirt sophomore transfer will need to improve his footwork to consistently win at this level while not relying on natural talent alone to be competitive. He also showed the mental aptitude to make a difference in the run game. We take a closer look at the traits Sheffield will bring to the defense below.

    True freshman Shaun Wade had an impressive Spring Game and showed solid technique in Man Coverage while proving to be a heavy hitter, evident in his hit on Eric Glover-Williams at the one-yard line. What stands out most with Wade is his ability to play with his back to the ball. He has a natural sense of timing to disrupt the pocket of the receiver. With his length and athleticism, he provides an advanced skill set that is difficult to teach.

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  11. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.



    Fact: Larry Johnson and Ohio State will have one of the deepest and most talented defensive lines in college football this fall.

    Fact: The essential reason the first fact is true is due to an astounding amount of elite talent at defensive end. And Dre'Mont Jones.

    “Dre’Mont Jones is really turning into a fine player here for us,” Urban Meyer said this spring about the redshirt sophomore. “We have five premier [defensive linemen] in my mind with four defensive ends and Dre’Mont Jones that I’d like to see all five on the field at one time.”

    While the latter half of that quote stirred up a multitude of ideas in the heads of fans and reporters, Larry Johnson did his best to squash the thought of the Buckeyes unleashing five of his horses in one package on Ohio State's defensive line. Another quote from Meyer leaves the head coach's thoughts about the consistencies of the rest of his defensive tackles in question, however.


    “The other side, we're hoping that Tracy Sprinkle can give us some depth and be the guy we thought he was going to be before he got hurt,” he said.

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  12. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.



    With the way Ohio State is shelling out players to the NFL, Mark Pantoni's job gets more secure with each passing season he works for Urban Meyer.

    “There's some pressure to make sure when you lose a Darron Lee, you'd better bring in someone just as good or the team is not as good,” Pantoni said on National Signing Day. “You always have to try to equate the talent that you lose with what you bring in. And then every year, there may be one or two guys that leave that you're not projecting to leave.”

    Sound familiar? Meyer echoes that mutiple times every football season. It becomes redundant but remains timely, with how 15 players have left Ohio State early over the last two seasons. In all, the program saw 19 players get drafted over the same span and more than a handful signed with pro teams as free agents.

    It adds pressure to Pantoni, Meyer and the assistant coaches to sign recruits who don't need much mentoring in Columbus before they can be depended upon on Saturdays in the fall. Ohio State's 2017 recruiting class finished No. 2 in the country behind only Alabama according to 247Sports composite, with 21 commitments and nine early enrollees. That number grew to 10 when junior college transfer Kendall Sheffield made his way to Columbus in March to participate in spring drills.

    How many actually make an immediate impact remains to be seen, however, despite their position coaches speaking highly of the early enrollees in March and April. Ohio State's roster is loaded no matter how you slice it and the expectation to return to the College Football Playoff isn't changing.

    Here are five(ish) players who could—and frankly, Ohio State needs them to—see considerable time in 2017. This list differs a bit from the one Andrew wrote in December, two months before Signing Day, because the class wasn't complete yet and it wasn't known who all would leave for the pros.

    Lumping these four together only feels right, even though Sheffield is not a freshman. He looks like a grown ass man and is a former 5-star Alabama commit who is all but assured playing time this fall.


    Okudah was the top-rated player in the class, another 5-star prospect the Buckeyes plucked from Texas who enrolled early. After speaking with both he and Wade, another 5-star, on signing day in February, it is evident their mindset is to be at Ohio State for three years then head to the NFL as a first-round draft pick. With a guy like Kerry Coombs coaching you, that makes sense.

    Sheffield, Wade and Okudah are all long, athletic and fast players who came to Ohio State extremely well-prepared and at a position of need. The same goes for Williamson, another 4-star originally from Westerville who finished high school at IMG Academy. Marshon Lattimore and Gareon Conley both came off the board in the first round of the 2017 NFL Draft. Denzel Ward has one corner spot locked down but the other remains in flux. These four names will definitely be involved.

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  13. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

    First Comes Improvement, Then Enhancement for Ohio State Defense


    The Ohio State Buckeyes can't be great on defense until they first get good. This is the process that all teams must take part in.

    This process is constant and unforgiving. Just because a defense was good a year ago doesn't mean they'll be good again. The experience may carry over, but the results do not. It's a leg up for sure, but the process always wins out. Shortchange it, and eventually defeat will find a team where it never expected to be found.

    To stay ahead of defeat, the Buckeye defense wants to be better than it was a year ago. Ohio State finished in the Top 10 nationally in both scoring defense (15.5 ppg) and total defense (296.1 ypg) last year. Those numbers are certainly acceptable, but that was last year. They have no bearing on 2017.

    When Chris Ash brought this defensive system with him from Arkansas in 2014, the idea was to keep things simple and then just get really good at what you do. That's exactly what happened, as by the end of the year the Buckeyes were holding offenses like Wisconsin, Alabama, and Oregon in check.

    As they went through that season, they added things here and there, and that process has continued with current defensive coordinator Greg Schiano. It is never about changing the identity of the defense, but rather changing the effectiveness.

    "You always have little things when you look back and say, 'Could we do this? Can we add this?" he said. "But more than anything we just want to get better at what we did. How do you improve? We made some great strides in taking the ball away last year. We went from 50-something in the country to 10th. Well, how do we go from 10th to first? We did some things in other areas. Red-zone defense, we weren't very good coming off a year ago. We really improved."

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  14. RobotParty

    RobotParty Junior

    I have a running graphic document I made/ use to brainstorm formations, personnel combinations and the like. I've been in there today messing with the much-discussed 5 DL front, and it really doesn't seem that farfetched. My guess at this point is they will use what's basically 4-3 Under, where Jones slides to NT, Bosa or Holmes slide to DT with the other playing DE, Lewis mans the other DE spot, and Sam subs in as the...Sam. They'd probably deploy it against 2TE and 1TE/ 1FB formations, but I could even see it situationally against 2 back sets if they have match ups they like. I'm the type who gets pumped up when I actually see things, so I've posted a picture below as well:


    There are some spots of vulnerability, but as long as the secondary doesn't drop off (tall order) and Dre'Mont doesn't get blown off the ball (did well against double teams and inside runs last year - and he's up to 300 now), it will allow the front 7 to play loose without having to think as much. USC used something similar last year, and their players raved about it.
    Last edited: May 25, 2017
  15. pnuts34

    pnuts34 Drunk off of wolverine tears

    This discussion can also be placed in the offense thread as well. But I was thinking, after seeing the way LJsr and the rest of defensive staff coach(the jury is still out on what the offense will do, but based on past OSU offenses) they seem to rely as heavy as they can, on utilizing players who are versatile and also on a solid rotation of players. I see a number of teams tout how their players earn trophies at the end of the year, and are on the All American lists, but OSU despite the amount of wins doesn't have the same number of players. I'm not complaining, I just find it interesting(in a good way) that so many top tier HS players are willing to sacrifice stats for a chance to play in big games, and more importantly get to the NFL with less wear and tear on their bodies. Football is a very violent sport with players with very low shelf lives, and being able to get to the NFL with less hits on your body can only be a plus. I've heard the rumor a number of times now, that the problem with Alabama players is that Saban pushes them and works them so hard, that there's a reason so many of them get major injuries in the NFL, as opposed to the guys since Urban and LJsr have been at the helm. And though 2016 isn't a good example, by year's end it is interesting seeing how healthy OSU is compared to other top tier programs when it comes to players being injured based on the steady rotation. I can't wait until the season starts to see how the DL will work out, with so much talent along it, and also a number of guys that can rotated at DB and even LB. It's crazy to think that in the middle of a B1G conference game, OSU can roll out a mix of starters and backups, all that were former 4 and 5stars, ready to play, i.e.:
    DE- Bosa and Holmes
    DT- Cornell and Landers
    LB- Jones, Hilliard and Booker
    CB- Ward and Sheffield
    S- Webb and Smith
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