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2017 tOSU Offense Discussion

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by ScriptOhio, Jan 5, 2017.

  1. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

  2. Hstead

    Hstead Senior

    This ^^^^^^^^^^ tears me up. Who in their right fing mind thinks this is a quality football play on 3 and 6? 4 receivers crammed into a tiny box that 1 fing defender can cover all 4 let alone 4 defenders. Football isn't rocket science. This is the type of [Mark May]show I complain about. This is a coaching problem. This is coming from a coach who is not good, whoever that may be. This is why we were embarrassed on offense. There was a lot that ^^^^^^^^ going on. It was not the Oline, the protection was great. It is not on the WR either because who the hell could get open on that [Mark May] design, and it isn't really on JT either because he isn't super man.
     
  3. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

    Buckeye Football Mailbag: Let's Get Offensive!

    Do you think Michael Jordan eventually moves to tackle?


    This is a question that I ask a lot and the easy assumption is that he eventually moves, but I think we thought the same thing of Andrew Norwell as well. Of course, we also thought the same thing of Jack Mewhort, and he did move. There are some other factors here. I can see both Jordan and Malcolm Pridgeon starting at guard next year, as I don't see either of them beating out Jamarco Jones or Isaiah Prince at tackle. In 2018, however, there will be an opening at left tackle, and I would expect one of those guys to take it. That could be the final year in college for both guys, and guards are becoming almost as highly-thought of as tackles, so moving outside isn't something that a player has to do in order to make himself more desirable. So would Jordan stay at guard because as a three-year starter, he could be three-and-out, where as moving to tackle as a junior could alter his trajectory for a year?

    Entire article: http://theozone.net/Ohio-State/Football/2016/News/Buckeye-Football-Mailbag-Lets-Get-Offensive
     
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  4. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    You know I never noticed until now and now that I look back on it what I'm shocked in is how horrible our spacing is. ESPECIALLY when you put it next to what Kevin Wilson has done at IU.

    We run a [Mark May] load of plays where we literally have at times 9 players that span 5-10 yards. As Hstead said this is just [Mark May] design as well as coaching and the more I see the crap our players had to deal with the more upset I get.

    Just do two things...

    1. If given time and space any WR we field will get open.

    2. If given time JT will find any open man.
     
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  5. cincibuck

    cincibuck You kids stay off my lawn!

    Reflecting on the PSU - USC game, amazing how fast BOTH QBs got rid of the ball on short pass plays. I don't think that was the case with JT. Correct me if I'm wrong or just guilty of being envious of two well designed offenses.
     
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  6. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    We had zero timing plays I saw the same things you saw... it was all "drop back and read" for us which isn't necessary when your offense is run based and should be a great play action team.

    Go back and watch the Cincinnati game from 3 years ago and you'll see exactly what kind of throw game we should have. Play Action quick slants and working your throw game from there. JT was money on slants in 14' and like the moronic staff that we were for the past two years decided we didn't need timing throws.
     
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  7. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

    A way too early projection of Ohio State’s 2017 offensive depth chart

    The 2016 season is in the books. Let’s look at what 2017 might look like.

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    he 2016 Ohio State season is over, and even though the team still made the playoff, knocked off multiple top-ten programs, and beat Michigan in a way that’s guaranteed their fans will be mad all summer, the season ended on a sour note, and has raised some questions for Buckeye fans. The offense has now sputtered for two consecutive seasons, and now there’s an assistant coaching shakeup.

    We know that Ryan Day, and almost certainly Kevin Wilson, will be working as offensive coaches, although we don’t know exactly how everybody will fit together yet. But what about the players?

    It’s early. We don’t know exactly who is headed to the NFL yet, and who is staying, or how the 2017 recruiting class might factor in. But everybody is thinking about it anyway, so here’s our first guess on how Ohio State’s 2017 depth chart might look on offense for next season.

    Quarterback:
    J.T. Barrett (RS Senior)

    Dwayne Haskins (RS Freshman)

    There are probably some Buckeye fans who wouldn’t mind if Barrett lost his job, or at least had a real QB competition, given the talent in this QB room. But given how highly Kevin Wilson thinks of Barrett, his experience, leadership, comfort level with the zone-read, and the youth of the other potential challengers, somebody other than Barrett holding down this starting job would be a major surprise. We like Haskins to beat out Joe Burrow for the backup spot, but that should be a real battle. They’re both good!


    Running Back:
    Mike Weber (RS Sophomore)

    Antonio Williams (RS Freshman)

    No surprise here, after a 1,000+ yard plus campaign as a freshman, this is 100% Weber’s job. The only question will be whether he increases his carries, or splits them with Williams, H-backs, or other running backs, like incoming freshman J.K. Dobbins.

    h-back:
    Demario McCall (Sophomore)

    J.K. Dobbins (Freshman) OR Tyjon Lindsey (Freshman)

    We’re operating on the assumption that Curtis Samuel decides to go to the NFL (something that isn’t a slam dunk by any means). Obviously, if he sticks around, he’s manning this spot and remaining the focal point of the offense. McCall, a highly rated recruit who exploded multiple times during garbage time in 2016, looks primed to get lots of touches in this spot next season.

    Entire article: http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2017/1/5/14177244/ohio-state-football-2017-offense-depth-chart-projection
     
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  8. BVistahC

    BVistahC Disciplina in Civitatem

    The one area I'd like to see in 2017 is a rotation at tailback.

    I don't think Mike Weber is Ezekiel Elliott or Carlos Hyde (and very few are Elliott or Hyde). There were a lot of times I wished for Demario McCall to just change up things.

    Maybe Curtis Samuel was the reason for a lack of rotation -- since he's in the backfield -- but I'd still like to see more subs.

    At receiver, K.J. Hill seemed like he got open. I don't really know because the passing attack was non-existent (no true gauge).

    The O-Line needs open tryouts at all positions and play the best 5-7.
     
  9. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    Oline is FINE... JT is FINE... We have 4 of 5 returning starters they need work and not replaced.
     
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  10. woofermazing

    woofermazing Senior

    They also did a breakdown of the inside run blocking against Clemson. Really was a job well done, albeit on a tiny sample size.



    Some of the sweeps were pretty awful, but Clemson aligned and played their defense to take away our outside game, it's on the staff for not taking advantage.
     
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  11. NFBuck

    NFBuck Colavito's Curse.

    This I agree with. I don't think it's a talent/ability issue on the OL. It was piss-poor offensive gameplanning/playcalling leading to predictability that defenses fed on making OL play extremely difficult compared to previous years. Install an offense that attacks defenses and keeps them honest and I think the guys we have will be just fine.
     
  12. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    Never thought to think the predictability issue hurts the OL too.. good point!
     
  13. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

    J.T. BARRETT IS RETURNING: WHAT THAT MEANS FOR OHIO STATE AT QUARTERBACK IN 2017

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    J.T. Barrett is returning to Ohio State for his fifth season.

    The Buckeyes' quarterback announced his intentions Wednesday. Barrett, a three-year starter who holds 21 school records and has a 26-4 record, is without question one of the most accomplished signal callers in Ohio State history.

    And yet for some reason, a lot of folks in Columbus are unsure about the move.

    The Buckeyes' offense was wildly inconsistent during the 2016 season — one which ended with a thud last Saturday night in a 31-0 loss to Clemson. In particular, Ohio State's passing game struggled for large portions of the year and many pointed the finger at Barrett, whose numbers saw a slight dip in production.

    And with a talented stable of quarterbacks waiting in the wings — Joe Burrow, Dwayne Haskins, Tate Martell — many believed it might be time for a change, that Barrett reached his peak and the younger quarterbacks behind him have a bit more upside.

    But here's the reality of the situation: Unless there's an injury, it's hard to envision any scenario in which anybody but Barrett is Ohio State's starting quarterback in 2017.

    There's a chance the Buckeyes hold some sort of competition, sure, but even if that's the case, Barrett would be the heavy favorite. Burrow, Haskins, Martell and Stephen Collier — whose future with the program remains up in the air — would have to "beat out" Barrett to earn the job, a phrase which Urban Meyer uses often. Unless one of those players is Tom Brady, it's almost impossible to see that happening to a player with Barrett's body of work.

    Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2017/01/78958/jt-barrett-is-returning-what-that-means-for-ohio-state-at-quarterback-in-2017
     
  14. Jaxbuck

    Jaxbuck I hate tsun

    I guess this is as good of place as any for this.

    Looking at OL by class, I didn't realize how bad the depth situation really was looking.

    Trout and Lisle are gone now but here are the rest, regardless of being Guards or Tackles that have to concern you;

    D Knox RS JR
    B Taylor RS JR

    Bowen RS So
    Burell RS So
    Feder RS So

    These guys have all been passed over either by true So Jordan or true JR Prince and to cement it, saw OSU go the JUCO ranks to get Pridgeon.

    That was a whole lot of swinging and missing in the '14 and '15 OL recruiting classes.

    The 3 guys from last year all redshirted and you hear next to nothing about them so other than the starters you have 3 RS Fr from last year and the 2-3 true freshman that will show up this fall.

    That is kind of scary stuff.
     
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  15. OregonBuckeye

    OregonBuckeye Semper Fi Buckeyes

    ^I think Warriner not being solely focused on the OL has hindered their development. Jury is out on Studwara
     
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