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2017 tOSU Offense Discussion

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by ScriptOhio, Jan 5, 2017.

  1. Poe McKnoe

    Poe McKnoe Senior

    Dobbins against Indiana.
     
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  2. BUCK3YE5

    BUCK3YE5 Champion

    Passing game is just non-existent and it has been non-existent for years now. We are a power spread that can't throw the ball and yet we still do not hand off to our damn RB's. Just blows my mind. I counted 4 conventional handoffs in the 1st half. Four. In an entire half. The strength of this program in the Urban Era has been the run game and yet we refuse to embrace that identity. Instead, we have no identity and just look totally lost out there.

    Please, for the love of god, give our backs 30 carries a game, stop trying to make JT into Tom Brady and just give him one and only one read to make when passing so he actually throws the ball (or takes off and runs). And bring in a WR coach that can actually teach route running.

    Urban has a month and a half to fix a passing game that has been totally broken for 2+ years now, or we will lose to Ped State, again.
     
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  3. lvbuckeye

    lvbuckeye Silver Surfer

    Nice. Must have missed it. Glad to see its still in the playbook.
     
  4. OSUK

    OSUK Sometimes lucid, mostly confused

    Unless injury occurs, JTB is going to be the QB, for better or worse, and to the triumphant or bitter end. So, we need to deal with that reality.

    I think Wilson's strategy needs to take what JT does well (run on RO and scramble), let him do that, and think of ways to run the offense they have without a vertical passing threat. He needs some wrinkles - something like a pass option off of the RO. Keep your linemen within 3 yards, it looks like all run, and then he should be able to shot put a pass to a wide open receiver downfield. As it is, defenses are making OSU play in a 12 x 53 yard box, and Urban's offense can't function well like that. Defenses are getting way to aggressive and you have to find something that makes them wary. Who knows? Be a power QB/RB team, have a few wrinkles that creates a little indecision in defenses, and then maybe the vertical threat will come back.
     
  5. Bestbuck36

    Bestbuck36 Urban Renewal Project

    We know we can run, we just kind of, arent. Ok, we play some cupcakes the next few weeks. Should be able to win these games on defense and a couple of TD drives. Bomb the hell out of it. I mean go deep on every single series. If JT has a mental issue with going deep then the next three weeks are the time to fix it. Who cares if it gets picked 40 yards down field? Who cares if we end up punting? Work on the freaking weaknesses man. It does no good to just ram the ball down the throat of a cupcake or do what we've been successful at already. Throw it deep and throw it often. If he sucks against these teams; you have your answer.
     
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  6. sparcboxbuck

    sparcboxbuck What happened to my ¤cash?

    I don't care if it's deep or not, but being able to hit a receiver who is moving is what I'm looking for.

    Well, that and the receiver catching the ball.
     
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  7. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    I hope we do the opposite of this. I hope we go into these next 4-5 games trying to execute game plans that we need to be following to beat good programs like OU, PSU, and scum.

    It does us no good IMO to be throwing the ball 40 times these next few weeks because unless we want to lose against those programs I just mentioned we will not be throwing 40 times in those games. We need to find a rythem, we need to run the ball with our backs, we need to get JT some confidence, and we need to find a identity. Besides if we are going to stick with JT he has tons of experience and doesn't need those reps. I would agree with your idea though if Haskins or Borrows is the QB at some point.

    Deep throws are great but IMO that's why we're struggling. It's like a great hitter gripping his bat too hard right now on a cold streak. Lets get some doubles down the line (some 10 yard slants), some gappers (touch passes for 15) and then when folks make a mistake with a fast ball hit the homer (play action for a 40+yd TD).

    We just need to get back to what we use to be which is pounding our backs, running our QB (LESS THEN 10 TIMES), and giving our guys high percentage throws with the occasional deep toss. IMO Urbans obsession with the deep throws is part of the issue with finding no rythem or feeling disjointed. They've been drive killers when we call them too.

    This all makes me sad though because I know in my heart we will see the same disjointed, forced deep throws, and predictable calls time over. Then PSU will come into town and that game is going to depend on our defense having made improvements because our offense will suck their collective thumbs while we watch JT run 18 times while getting booed when we go 3 and out for the 5th time in the first half to finish with 10 points with one of the scores coming on a short field set up by our defense.
     
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  8. sparcboxbuck

    sparcboxbuck What happened to my ¤cash?

    It does feel a little disjointed, eh? It always used to be the mantra that Urban had the offense 'ahead of the chains' which provided options to be unpredictable. Constantly being behind the chains is no way to go through life son.
     
  9. colobuck79

    colobuck79 tilter of wind*ills

    I hate to give ultimatums, but they better get this [Mark May] figured out, because I will not stand for a loss to the pedofiles.
     
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  10. jwinslow

    jwinslow You know... not... GOOD! Staff Member

  11. Jaxbuck

    Jaxbuck I hate tsun

    makes the most sense of all the theories of why the offense sucks

    also the scariest
     
  12. Systems_id

    Systems_id Senior

    Yup, very scary. Hopefully Urban adapts like Saban did with spread teams.
     
  13. zincfinger

    zincfinger Gert Frobe-approved

    The title of that article strongly oversells the content. The three people quoted in the article, aside from Meyer, are:
    1. "a veteran coach who studied the Buckeyes intensely this offseason"
    2. Gerry DiNardo (whose comment doesn't really support the idea that the title promotes), and
    3. "an NFL scout familiar with the Buckeyes"

    I'm not arguing one way or the other what OSU's problems on offense are, but that article seems to be Pete Thamel's opinion, dressed up as a consensus of the coaching industry.
     
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  14. Bestbuck36

    Bestbuck36 Urban Renewal Project

    We know we can do all of this. What good does it do to get into "rhythm" against teams that are completely over matched? Our defense will always give us a good look against our run game if we wanted to toughen up and get into rhythm. I'm not saying completely abandon running the next few weeks, just have at least one developing pass play every series to see if we can hit on it against these less than stellar defenses. If we cant against them, then we know we cant against PSU and michigan. That would tell me that the backup needs a lot more reps because in order to beat those guys we need good balance. Its basically the "unfucking" of JT Barrett. Can it be done is the question.
     
  15. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    I just personally think JT was fucked up from all this forcing the issue to begin with. In 14 we had a damn good year of knowing when to take shots. 2nd and 1 is a perfect time to take the shot because if we don't get it we will have 1-2 more cracks to get 1 yard.

    Too often we go deep on 1st and 10 or 2nd and 8. That leaves us with no choice on 2nd or 3rd and long to throw which makes us easier to defend. I'm all for working on our throwing game and while the opponents may be easier these next 3 weeks the situations will be the same. Don't play the opponent play the situation is what I'm saying.

    Yes we need to get better going down field but we should only be taking shots down field when we know it won't put us behind the chains. With our defense struggling in the back end we need to become a T.O.P machine to help them out.
     

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