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2017 tOSU Offense Discussion

We don't need to be perfectly balanced. Just be a legitimate threat to go downtown. Make plays in the passing game when we have to.
Johnnie Dixon has to be a big worry to defensive co-ordinators now. All he does is run past people and catch TDs
8 TDs in 9 games.
 
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Kinda seems like we haven't figured out what our best offensive plan of attack is yet. Game plans and schemes vary week to week, with varying degrees of success
I find it interesting that there was once again mention about an assistant coach being very involved in the gameplan. Meyer said this past game was the most Studwara had his hands in the offense this week. We heard a similar comment about Kevin Wilson in another game (blanking on it).

Obviously, I don't expect coach to go spill the beans in a loss who gameplanned the most, but it's so apparent to me that overall Meyer's philosophies are still very present. When other's get involved, things seem to go so much better.

Probably not what a lot of people want to hear, but I've said it goes up the chain to Meyer. It's who he is. He rides his QB's like crazy- except he doesn't have a #1 overall pick or a dominating player like Tebow. JT is a good passer and he is a good runner, but there's better players on this team that are being ignored in the gameplans...again.

He has to either find the QB that can do it, or really let his HC level assistant run the room. Otherwise, this will happen again.
 
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FILM STUDY: EMPTYING THE PLAYBOOK AGAINST ILLINOIS IN ADVANCE OF THE GAME

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he first, and most common, approach is to hold all your best cards until the day of the big game, coming out with new wrinkles no one has seen before and leaving your opponents on their heels as they try to decipher what is happening on the fly. This was often the model under former Ohio State head coach Jim Tressel, he of the 9-1 record against his biggest rival and the architect of the victory in 2006 in which his top-ranked Buckeyes defeated their second-ranked opponents.

Though Tressel had long been considered a 'conservative' play-caller and featured two NFL running backs, he opened up that famous contest with a five-wide receiver look and slung the ball around all afternoon to the tune of 316 passing yards against one of the nation's top defenses. It certainly didn't hurt that the eventual Heisman Trophy winner was in the pocket throwing to a group of receivers that would amass 831 professional catches (and counting), and such a shock to their opponents' system had the desired effect.

But the straight-laced leader was known to spend all season preparing for The Game, installing special wrinkles that would give the scarlet and gray the upper hand. His eventual successor, Urban Meyer, hasn't always gone to the same extreme in terms of specific preparations for one game but has been known to debut new gadgets in past tilts with the team from Ann Arbor.

This year, however, Meyer seems to be taking the second approach. With a new offensive brain trust of Kevin Wilson, Ryan Day, and increasingly, line coach Greg Studrawa building the game plan each week, the Buckeyes have embraced a 'less is more' attitude this fall. While Meyer's teams in Columbus have long been known for their diversity in the running game, teaching virtually every concept found in a pro playbook, this year, they've dialed back the complexity.

Similarly, to reignite a stagnant passing game, Day has leaned heavily on two core passing concepts: Rams Mesh (named for Mike Martz and the Greatest Show on Turf St Louis Rams) and Bubble Y-Over (aka Saints). While having just two central plays may seem predictable, the trio has done an excellent job of using diversity in their formations to keep defenses from anticipating their calls.

But against a defense like the one they'll see this Saturday, the Buckeyes can't simply rely on a unique alignment to keep the wolves at bay. Don Brown teaches an aggressive brand of football that asks a lot of his players but gets the results many coaches only dream of. So, to keep Brown, his staff, and their players from picking up on any kind of tendencies or keys that might alert them to a certain play-call, the Buckeyes emptied the playbook last weekend in their 52-14 drubbing of Illinois.

Against Michigan State the week prior, Ohio State's offense looked unstoppable thanks to some subtle tweaks in their alignments that left the Spartans grasping for answers. Primarily, an unbalanced set placed all three wide receivers and the tight end to the wide side of the field created all kinds of havoc for the defense as they looked to defend each gap against the powerful Buckeye running game.

Instead of putting that successful approach back on the shelf for a week and hoping no one up north would remember it even existed, Meyer and his staff doubled down, showing even more looks from this formation. The first, and most noticeable, was a reverse to 'H' receiver Parris Campbell, who took a lateral from running back Mike Weber back across the grain of the play and turned upfield before leaving several Illini defenders grasping at thin air.



After hitting the reverse for a big gain and methodically running the ball from this set, the Buckeyes called for a regular Trips formation that still caused confusion for the defense. With three receivers split wide to one side, the Illini thought they had every gap covered thanks to a wrinkle of their own that saw both outside linebackers align over the wide D-gaps.

But with the tight end to the right, the line shifted over too far when executing their called slant after the snap, leaving an extra gap for the middle linebacker to cover. As the MIKE tries to get outside with Weber, he allows a huge cutback lane and offers the sophomore runner only the slightest of arm tackles, allowing him to race 42 yards to the end zone instead.



Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...ybook-against-illinois-in-advance-of-the-game
 
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I kinda wish they would have kept that TE throw back pass, across the flow to Baugh in their back pocket for the *ichigan game. That's the type of play call that can win a tight game for u. That, and a few draws and counters to get that *ichigan d-line guessing and not just pinning their ears back. They are tough up the middle. I think OSU should be able to exploit them with the off-tackle and outside runs.
 
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I kinda wish they would have kept that TE throw back pass, across the flow to Baugh in their back pocket for the *ichigan game. That's the type of play call that can win a tight game for u. That, and a few draws and counters to get that *ichigan d-line guessing and not just pinning their ears back. They are tough up the middle. I think OSU should be able to exploit them with the off-tackle and outside runs.

I'd not be so quick to assume that Urban has shown them everything. Yes, that kind of play could come in handy, but I tend to think that showing them a lot thins out their reps on any given play. Couple that with what likely has yet to be shown and I expect good things. We all should.
 
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agreed. I just get excited when I see any misdirection, draw, counter play, ect.... Don't necessarily like gadget plays but more so plays that keep defenses off balance and guessing. We tend to get predictable in big games. Meyer falls in love with the read-option, teams take away the RB, and all of sudden it's middle of the 3rd quarter and JT has 15 carries.
 
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I think a big part of our early offensive struggles against Michigan were because we tried to establish the run with read option plays (it is becoming my obsession to hate an over reliance on the play, whether Barrett is at QB or not).

It was a game where establishing a physical domination of the line of scrimmage was vital as emotions and adrenaline were running high at kickoff... so Ohio State goes with running plays that purposefully leave defenders unblocked.

Those unblocked defenders, jacked up on adrenaline and emotion, absolute wrecked any chance we had of making a read on each play by blowing up the backfield.

I’m not saying we need to completely get rid of read option from the run game, but in a variety of situations, can we please just hand the ball off to a running back and have the linemen block the person in front of them (relatively speaking depending on alignment, obviously)?

Early on in emotionally hyped games- especially on the road- short yardage situations, goal line situations, icing a team late; these would all be great times to just man-up across the front and run the ball without purposefully leaving people unblocked to “read” them.

And like I said, the most frustrating thing is it seems difficult, if not impossible, to establish your physical dominance over a defense early and set the tone for the rest of the game when you are leaving defenders unblocked on purpose.

After establishing a dominating tone and demoralizing a defense physically, then we can mix in some fancy read option plays to really put a defense on their heels.

Throw in a guy like Haskins for the future and the added factor of him not being very good at making the proper read, or being very good at anything but the most basic straight ahead runs... and this change to a more straight forward ground game is my most fervent wish for the offense now and into the future.

The early struggles this year and the similarities to the struggles the previous two years were eye opening regarding Meyer’s probable role in the offensive problems we’ve been experiencing- namely, his insistence on maintaining his “stamp” on the offense through maintaining a reliance on read option.

I really, really hope Meyer continues to loosen up his insistence on that stamp and just let’s Wilson do his thing (especially with Haskins next year). We can incorporate read option plays once in awhile if Meyer absolutely insists on it.

But seriously, not at the beginning of emotionally charged games, no matter who the QB is.
 
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I think a big part of our early offensive struggles against Michigan were because we tried to establish the run with read option plays (it is becoming my obsession to hate an over reliance on the play, whether Barrett is at QB or not).

It was a game where establishing a physical domination of the line of scrimmage was vital as emotions and adrenaline were running high at kickoff... so Ohio State goes with running plays that purposefully leave defenders unblocked.

Those unblocked defenders, jacked up on adrenaline and emotion, absolute wrecked any chance we had of making a read on each play by blowing up the backfield.

I’m not saying we need to completely get rid of read option from the run game, but in a variety of situations, can we please just hand the ball off to a running back and have the linemen block the person in front of them (relatively speaking depending on alignment, obviously)?

Early on in emotionally hyped games- especially on the road- short yardage situations, goal line situations, icing a team late; these would all be great times to just man-up across the front and run the ball without purposefully leaving people unblocked to “read” them.

And like I said, the most frustrating thing is it seems difficult, if not impossible, to establish your physical dominance over a defense early and set the tone for the rest of the game when you are leaving defenders unblocked on purpose.

After establishing a dominating tone and demoralizing a defense physically, then we can mix in some fancy read option plays to really put a defense on their heels.

Throw in a guy like Haskins for the future and the added factor of him not being very good at making the proper read, or being very good at anything but the most basic straight ahead runs... and this change to a more straight forward ground game is my most fervent wish for the offense now and into the future.

The early struggles this year and the similarities to the struggles the previous two years were eye opening regarding Meyer’s probable role in the offensive problems we’ve been experiencing- namely, his insistence on maintaining his “stamp” on the offense through maintaining a reliance on read option.

I really, really hope Meyer continues to loosen up his insistence on that stamp and just let’s Wilson do his thing (especially with Haskins next year). We can incorporate read option plays once in awhile if Meyer absolutely insists on it.

But seriously, not at the beginning of emotionally charged games, no matter who the QB is.
I said it when Haskins went in the game that now we'd see us just hand the ball off, and we did. Any coincidence that we got 120 of our 220 yards after Haskins went in? I don't think so.

Now I'm not saying Haskins is the reason for the success because I'm not, but rather just the straight hand offs will work just fine regardless of what the other team is doing on defense.
 
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I said it when Haskins went in the game that now we'd see us just hand the ball off, and we did. Any coincidence that we got 120 of our 220 yards after Haskins went in? I don't think so.

Now I'm not saying Haskins is the reason for the success because I'm not, but rather just the straight hand offs will work just fine regardless of what the other team is doing on defense.

I liked the offensive play calling when Haskins went in. That style of offense looked a lot more balanced and really put stress on the defense for who was getting the ball. When you have good backs like Weber and Dobbins let them do their thing. After we broke off a few runs Haskins was able to get the ball to the playmakers and then really opened up the offense. With JT in you can expect a read option or a pass from JT maybe 1 out of 8-9 plays a RB carry. Haskins made some really nice throws after he got settled down and gained some confidence. I hope to see some more of that Saturday.
 
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Ohio State hasn't had a 1,000-yard receiver in 15 years, which makes no sense
CONNOR O'GARA | 9 MONTHS AGO (but still true)

On Wednesday, Ohio State came out with a historic hype trailer to showcase its long history of talented quarterbacks. The list of accomplishments included B1G Player of the Year honors, Heisman Trophy awards and national championship victories.

If you missed it, here you go: (video at link)

It was an impressive list, and one that made me think.

As a result of that great quarterback play, you could make an impressive list of Buckeye receivers, too. Santonio Holmes, Ted Ginn, Jr., Devin Smith, Anthony Gonzalez and Michael Thomas were just a few of the star Ohio State receivers the last 15 years...


(the rest)
 
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I think a big part of our early offensive struggles against Michigan were because we tried to establish the run with read option plays (it is becoming my obsession to hate an over reliance on the play, whether Barrett is at QB or not).

It was a game where establishing a physical domination of the line of scrimmage was vital as emotions and adrenaline were running high at kickoff... so Ohio State goes with running plays that purposefully leave defenders unblocked.

Those unblocked defenders, jacked up on adrenaline and emotion, absolute wrecked any chance we had of making a read on each play by blowing up the backfield.

I’m not saying we need to completely get rid of read option from the run game, but in a variety of situations, can we please just hand the ball off to a running back and have the linemen block the person in front of them (relatively speaking depending on alignment, obviously)?

Early on in emotionally hyped games- especially on the road- short yardage situations, goal line situations, icing a team late; these would all be great times to just man-up across the front and run the ball without purposefully leaving people unblocked to “read” them.

And like I said, the most frustrating thing is it seems difficult, if not impossible, to establish your physical dominance over a defense early and set the tone for the rest of the game when you are leaving defenders unblocked on purpose.

After establishing a dominating tone and demoralizing a defense physically, then we can mix in some fancy read option plays to really put a defense on their heels.

Throw in a guy like Haskins for the future and the added factor of him not being very good at making the proper read, or being very good at anything but the most basic straight ahead runs... and this change to a more straight forward ground game is my most fervent wish for the offense now and into the future.

The early struggles this year and the similarities to the struggles the previous two years were eye opening regarding Meyer’s probable role in the offensive problems we’ve been experiencing- namely, his insistence on maintaining his “stamp” on the offense through maintaining a reliance on read option.

I really, really hope Meyer continues to loosen up his insistence on that stamp and just let’s Wilson do his thing (especially with Haskins next year). We can incorporate read option plays once in awhile if Meyer absolutely insists on it.

But seriously, not at the beginning of emotionally charged games, no matter who the QB is.
Good stuff. I've also wanted to see us move further away from the read-option if for no other reason that it tends to get your QB killed eventually. Meyer hasn't had a QB yet finish out an entire season without getting injured. I don't want him to scrap it entirely but no way should your QB ever have more carries than your RB unless he's scrambling all day.

Part of me thinks that JT still isn't completely right after his ankle injury and now it appears that he's been dealing with that weird knee issue all season.
 
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Good stuff. I've also wanted to see us move further away from the read-option if for no other reason that it tends to get your QB killed eventually. Meyer hasn't had a QB yet finish out an entire season without getting injured. I don't want him to scrap it entirely but no way should your QB ever have more carries than your RB unless he's scrambling all day.

Part of me thinks that JT still isn't completely right after his ankle injury and now it appears that he's been dealing with that weird knee issue all season.
IMO the QB should be ran at tops 5-8 times, and right now we are typically doubling that number (particularly when the game is close). We try far too hard to have a "numbers advantage" and it really hinders the flow of the game.

For example, when teams have the ball at the 1 yard line they typically run straight ahead regardless that 11 players are in the box. Regardless of that fact the success of a simple dive for 1 yard with 11 in the box is probably somewhere north of 70% I'd imagine. So if you can get 1-2 yards a clip with 11 players in the box then you can get 4-5 when there's 7 in the box with a typical running back hand off.

Not every play has to be a home run, not every play needs to have a numbers advantage, and sometimes just trusting your running backs to make 1-2 guys miss is better. All I know is that a typical off tackle play right now is more effective then QB right or QB left.

One other thing is you can rotate running backs to keep wear and tear down, but you cannot do that with your QB.
 
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